On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:19:18 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
A true statement, Mike. And to think I was going to try bleeding my
own brakes! Not any more. Maybe I could do it, maybe not, but I'm not
going to find out...not with it being such a major safety issue. I am
planning to flush out my radiator today, no problem. Along with
changing a PCV valve and an air filter. But the brakes? No way.
This is the indirect result of running the car out of oil. Because
you ran it out of oil you are now opening the hood and putting your
ear next to the engine and anxiously listening for any sign of
trouble. I think you are probably OK, but do keep an eye on the oil
level. Good luck.
I really don't believe 15 seconds will have done any damage. I can't blame
you for worrying, but consider this: after draining and filling the engine
and filter, it takes a LOT longer than 15 seconds for pressure to build
sufficiently to circulate, anyway! And, area that may have been damaged by
non-circulating oil probably held some oil, anyway. I wouldn't fret about
I ran (actually, my stepfather, driving my car) a Corolla 1200 with about
1 qt of oil for a couple weeks! The rings needed replacing at 160,000
Hi - Thank you for the encouraging post. I really have gotten a lot of
reassurance on this page that I didn't screw my car up, for which I'm
quite grateful. I also think that I had a bit of luck here, as was
pointed out by another poster. I guess the real luck is that it was
just a minor thing and not (a) a major expense, or worse (b) a serious
safety issue. So I'm happy. - Paul
At least that tells me it's not just a Canadian thing...the one size
is now apparently standard throughout N. America for many Hondas.
I now hear that some folks actually prefer to use an over-size filter
on their vehicles (with the proper fitting, of course). Wonder if that
would make any difference long term in terms of significantly cleaner
oil. Six an one half dozen ther other as I'm not going to try it.....
enough misadventures lately to last me the whole summer. Paul.
As for the engine's future, the noise is the part that worries me. A minute
of idling without oil pressure is not a good thing but not normally a
There are two main areas that you need to be concerned about: cam bearings
and crank bearings. Dunno about Hondas for sure, but the cam bearings I've
seen were just polished steel. I'm thinking that is where the noise came
from. They may survive, but I haven't had any experience with cam bearings
and oil starvation.
The second area, the crank bearings, are the part I've had experience with
:-( Crank bearings are normally indium plated, producing a pink surface
that is vital to proper operation. If the indium is stripped away by oil
loss the crank journal and the exposed base metal of the bearing will chew
at each other. Within a day of normal use you will be able to hear a soft
brushing sound; within a week it will become a rhythmic tap. In theory, I
suppose you could drop the pan and examine the accessible halves of the
crank bearings. It will be obvious whether the indium was ruined or not, and
the accessible halves of the journal bearings are the ones that receive the
pressure. On the rod ends, the upper halves receive the pressure but at
least those are accessible without removing the crank. The problem is: what
will you do if you find damage? You could replace the rod bearings and the
lower halves of the journal bearings, then hope for the best with the upper
halves of the journal bearings. It's a devil's choice.
Here's the thing: either there is damage or there is not. If there is damage
it will become apparent within a week - a month at the very outside - by the
sound. Trying to head off progressive damage to the crank bearings isn't the
same as fixing everything if they are damaged. Or... you dodged the bullet
and there is no bottom end damage. Cam damage is no fun, but can be repaired
for a semi-affordable amount without pulling the engine.
Another thought comes to mind - it took some time for the oil pump to pump
all that oil out at idle. If there was any back-pressure where it was
leaking out, there was probably some oil making it to the bearings for part
of that time. That supports the choice to wait and see.
Yea, that was my 'best case' choice.
Did the screeching continue after you added oil?
Did it continue for a few seconds after restart, then stop?
That might be a bad thing, implying that oil starved surfaces suddenly
recieved lubrication as the oil system represurized.
That's been my experience. Unless they have hydraulic lifters (which clatter
like crazy without oil) there is usually little warning :-( A
sister-in-law asked me to look at her Buick, which died when she came to a
red light. She asked if it could be related to the banging noise she had
heard, and I felt cold. Sure enough, a socket on the crankshaft felt like I
had hooked up to a solid piece of metal. Seems the oil warning light had
burnt out and she never checked the oil or had it changed.
about the fram oil filter. they are good oil filters. probably the best for
the money they cost. you were probably turning the filter the wrong way with
your wrench and over tightened it. look for the old oil filter gasket still
stuck on the engine. i've never had that happen with a fram oil filter where
it would leave the old gasket on the engine but if it was over tightened
that much it's possible it got stuck on there. avoid cheapy purolator
filters because their gaskets do pop right off and will cause that problem
for you again. i highly doubt you did damage to your engine i just wouldn't
let it happen again. i do use an filter wrench to tighten my oil filters on
but not super tight just snugged up good. let us know what you find is
causing the leak.
But...but...you're only supposed to go hand tight then 1/4 turn.
And, it's been a while since I changed a filter on a Honda, but on my
Toyotas they seem to tighten as they go along.
I'm sure there's a torque spec somewhere...
Yep, Fram which at one time manufactured a quality product back in the
old days in East Providence, RI has long relegated quality for a quick
buck by selling virtual junk.
No Frams on any of my "babies," even though I'm a RI native!
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