if their goals are losing share to toyota on the civic vs. corolla,
failing completely on the rsx and ridgeline, and giving away the vast
and loyal civic/prelude customer base to subaru, you're dead right -
they've succeeded handsomely!
Silly question here. I own a '98 and a 2000 Civic (both manual LX) and
test drove newer models (I think one in 2004 and one in 2006). Somehow
I felt that the new ones are not as nice as the ones I have, but was
not able to specifically express what it was. Maybe the new ones are a
little bulkier, a little more tame, maybe something like they're not
as fun as the '98 or 2000.
weights are about the same, perhaps just a little heavier for the more
recent civics. biggest difference is suspension. changed to macpherson
strut up front in 2001. it's a lot more vague in feel and can't corner
as well. ok on freeways though so the freds don't notice much. cheaper
to manufacture hence ubiquity on most cheaper cars.
On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:22:48 +0000, Jim Yanik wrote:
I have a Supra (88) and a Scion tC (05)
The seating position in the Civic Si is the same as the Supra.
The seating position in the Scion is the same as Outback Steakhouse.
Wish I had bought the Civic...
They've also managed to make the new Civics *ugly*. Toyota has done
the same thing: given their cars unattractive, militaristic-looking
noses like American vehicles tend to have. One really wonders if they
realize who has been winning the sales wars the last 5 years, and who
has been losing...
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I *hated* the look of the hatchback civics. I like the look of the new
ones. The Si is a thing of beauty, IMO, and the rest of the line isn't
that much different.
Now, the Japanese Si Hatchback is a nice looking car, maintaining the new
style look, and making it a hatch. I would buy one of those in a second if
they were available here...
Well, I agree with the others here, that today's Accord coupes deliver
whatever it is you think you'd get out of a Prelude.
EXCEPT the distinction.
I agree with you that, in terms of sizzle, Honda/Acura is
determinately non-sizzling. The Si's are so-so, the S2000 is an
engineering marvel but addresses only a tiny market, no successor to
the NSX, no V8's for the top of the line. They seem to be
underselling the Fix for reasons that escape me, but the thing is 500
pounds too heavy in any case.
My Accord is perhaps the world's best automotive bargain and an
engineering marvel itself (as are also the Camry), but ... not as
exciting as one would like.
Just look at that new Audi R8 coupe ... bring back a Prelude in that
class, why doncha?
Put a 1998-2001 last generation Prelude next to an Accord coupe,and the
Accord will be bigger and taller.(and heavier) IMO,significantly different.
The older 1990 Prelude was much closer to the Accord.
Then there was that wierd Prelude inbetween them.....
Even the defunct RSX was sportier than any Accord.
I like the taller small cars, if I want an MGB roadster there's
already the S2000. I look at the current Porches as a little retro in
staying so low. The new motors are so much better, a little extra
wind resistance, even a *little* extra weight, are OK.
How 'bout this, a new Prelude would make a great new Honda vehicle to
experiment with low weight technologies, like the Lotusii.
Civic Si engine, Accord-derived composite chassis, << 2200 pounds,
maybe 4wd option, << $40k list.
For Acura, I *still* say put in a 4-liter V8, make it an RL-class
sedan << 2800 pounds (V8 drivetrain is still gonna be heavy), but at
that power/weight ratio it would also fly. Probably $60k range. Put
a few solar cells on the trunk for good luck! :)
Needless to say, both would get outstanding mileage, for the class.
... though I see that Lotus is only listed at 24/29. With Honda
tuning (and some loss of zoom) I'd think a two-seater like that could
go 29/36 or better - current Si sedan lists at 23/32 @ 3000 pounds.
Hmm, oddly enough, the specs are almost the same for the coupe.
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