H*E*L*P, I have an itch....

You're paying lower insurance premiums, lower state tax and you don't have to worry about door dings with that 1993 GC. I don't know what your problem is. I'm looking for a replacement for my '95 Wrangler and after some search I conclude that they don't make one.

Cheers,

Earle

Wouldn't that be a Newer Jeeps Anonymous? Know what you mean, there isn't a darned thing wrong with my 95 ZJ and it has had total TLC since I bought it. Has better ground clearance than the newer ones and goes anywhere I'd care to risk walking out of and a bit further. Yet, I find myself slowing down to see if that 5.9 is still on a nearby lot, or wondering if I can move the snow thrower out to the shed and keep the ZJ but add a SRT8 to see how many local Bimmer owners know their vehicles. Worse, even the family financial officer is no longer snorting, and has even uttered a "hmmm" or two. Is there no cure for this, doctor?

They're SO Pretty! They have SO many toys my 1993 doesn't have (none of which I need or even want but.... )

I don't know what my problem is either but, as I said, I have an itch.

Really, the ONLY thing the newer GCs have that I need is an adjustable lumbar support but since I use my Jeep primarily for short trips now, I can live w/o that, for longer trips it's mandatory but my car has that and better fuel mileage so I use it if I'm travelling.

What helps me is thinking of other things I can do with the money, it's at best a temporary cure....

In article , XS11E wrote: # #... I also have a very low mileage, almost perfect condition 1993 Grand #Cherokee Limited V8 so why do I have the new or later model Jeep itch? # #From everything I've read here, the 1999-2004 and 2005-2008 Jeeps don't #get better mileage, aren't better off road, won't do anything my 1993 #won't do other than empty my bank account and suffer from reliability #problems that I don't have with the 1993 (it's been almost bullet #proof, so far.)

Stick with the '93 if it's been reliable. Or at least keep it as a backup car.

The '99 WJ has major bleeding edge problems--especialy ones that with the QuadraDrive system. If you have to get a WJ, get a '04.

The WK series does not have a solid front axle. If you plan on doing nothing but gravel roads or flat dry dirt, it's fine, I guess.

/herb

Loose some weight... thaen you wouldn't need the lumbar support.

Lose some wheight and your lubar issue will be taken care of!

So I hear, but the earlier ones are, of course, more affordable.

An independent suspension is a big advantage off road, I have no idea where people get the idea it isn't as good but that's just plain wrong. Try telling a Hummer* that independent suspension isn't better as they're turning your solid axle rig inside out on a really rough road!

Exactly! Independent suspension is and always will be superior.

I have a DVD of a Hummer getting high centered and a Ford pickup winching it off the obstruction. The Ford of course had already crossed it with relative ease. There are different types of off-road, and the rocks we have in Colorado work well with solid axles and lots of articulation.

Cheers,

Earle

Well, that last one was brief... I think you're supposed to type before sending or something?

We've got everything here in Arizona and an independent suspension has the advantage on every type of terrain. There are bad drivers everywhere but probably a very large percent of them are driving Hummers. ;-)

Big deal. And now what?

Or getting hummers while driving. :)

Cheers,

Earle

Your Hummer in Colorado.

Earle

Looks like Smash Lab was on the scene. : )

Les

I recently read an explanation of why the solid axle is better for rocks where you need clearance. When a tire goes up on a rock and gets pushed up into the fender well the solid axle acts like a lever with the spring as a fulcrum. This pushes the opposite tire down giving it more traction and at the same time tending to level out the body of the jeep. Independent suspension does not behave like this so you end up with more body lean and less traction on the lower tire (the one not going over the big rock).

I recently read an explanation of why the solid axle is better for rocks where you need clearance. When a tire goes up on a rock and gets pushed up into the fender well the solid axle acts like a lever with the spring as a fulcrum. This pushes the opposite tire down giving it more traction and at the same time tending to level out the body of the jeep. Independent suspension does not behave like this so you end up with more body lean and less traction on the lower tire (the one not going over the big rock).

--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- In addition, I have to be skeptical of any claim that either type has "the advantage on every type of terrain" just on general principles. There has to be a use for independent suspension off-road, but I don't know what it is. :)

Cheers,

Earle

It seems to work well for Baja style off-roading. Nothing too technical but at higher speeds.