If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil

Try Mobil 1 - available in every Wal-mart for less money. And you don't have to feed a pyramid scheme. hint - Tupperware home parties pay more than the SpamsOil pyramid.

Cooking oil has about the same certification for use in an engine as spamsoil so you may as well just use that eh. Either way you will void the engine warranty.

You spamsoil droids are sometimes just too stupid for words.

Mike

Bret Ludwig wrote:

LOL!!!

My neighbors had to have the engine in their Lexus replaced because of sludge and resulting lubrication failure. They had changed the oil regularly and had all receipts, so they got a new engine. Afaik, Lexus didn't bother analyzing the oil's chemical composition, although they did want to see all the receipts. They took the mechanic's word that he had installed SAE/API oil. At first, of course, they accused the vehicle owners of not getting the oil changed according to recommendations. Apparently, they did this just to tick them off. Although these people know nothing about auto mechanics, they had followed the Owner's Manual recommendations to the letter, and saved receipts, so they got a new engine.

I haven't heard of any cases of lubrication failure where DIY maintenance was involved. I imagine that lots of you guys actually like changing oil, and never give sludge a chance to form. If this ever happens to me, I will be bringing a shoebox full of Autozone receipts and a service diary to court.

I would be more worried about accelerated engine wear than spectacular failures, since most of us have the good sense not to drive Audi, Chrysler, Dodge, Hyundai, Lexus, Toyota, SAAB or Volkswagen vehicles. (See

or any other site dedicated to adiscussion of this problem.) Is the stuff you are putting in there nowactually lubricating your crank journals, valve train etc? You don't reallyknow, without that SAE/API certification. I like to keep a vehicle tenyears or more, way beyond the warranty period. I can get a deal on worn outfryolator oil from a local restaurant owner, but no thanks. Earle

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:

Here's the product for you, Bret:

I'm one of those weird people (and there are a lot of us), who actually like that stuff.

Fried Spam sandwiches, Spam and beans, baked Spam with a brown sugar glaze, Spam and eggs... good stuff. And it really is, it contains pork shoulder and ham, just good meats.

Now the other kind of spam... may its purveyors rot in Hell.

Jeff DeWitt

Find me someone who 1) used Amsoil, 2) failed an engine in warranty, and 3) was denied warranty coverage.

If you only care about getting the warrantied life from the engine there is no point in using any premium oil. Most all engines today make warranty. Those that don't, usually don't fail because the oil wasn't up to snuff.

Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.

I don't know the price of every synthetic oil on the market and it well may be that there are better cheaper oils than Amsoil. Mobil 1 is not. It's no cheaper certainly.

As I said before I am not an Amsoil dealer and don't necessarily prefer synthetics for general use. But your hate for Amsoil is based on nonsense and as such I feel the need to show it for what it is. Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.

FWIW I did put the Amsoil products in my truck's transmission and rear end. They now run quieter and possibly cooler (the temperature has gone up 25 degrees making it hard to tell). On the other hand if I have to replace seals i will have no one to blame but myself.

Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.

Funny you mention that, I have heard but have not confirmed Amsoil may be a descendant of an Amway product.

In Michigan, the Republican nominee for governor this year is Dick DeVos, whose family made its considerable fortune as co-founders of Amway.

Two reasons why I will (a) vote for the incumbent and (b) not buy Amsoil.

Unless you brought your blown engine in and told them you used Amsoil. Then you're stuck. So you don't tell them you used a non-certified oil, required by the warranty. There's a word for that, it's spelled F-R-A-U-D.

No law requires it to be. Further most other specialist synthetics are not either.

If you have an engine failure CAUSED BY BAD OIL PERFORMANCE, the manufacturer has the right to have the oil analyzed, but the fact is engines don't fail in warranty because of bad oil. When they fail in warranty it's either a casting failure or gross misassembly most of the time.

You are under no moral obligation to volunteer every single thing someone might possibly feel is not to their liking. It's like inviting the neighbors over for a swim in your pool and then asking the women if any of them are having their period. A, that's why we put in chlorine and B. if it ranks you out don't invite other people to your pool. If Amsoil really was causing engines to fail in warranty believe me, manufacturers would specifically test for it. It isn't happening.

For that reason I don't care if Amsoil is API certified or not any more than I care if high end audio equipment is UL certified (it isn't because the quantities make testing cost-ineffective) or whether something is ISO 9000 certified.

Well, yeah. But if the oil had nothing to do with it they'd probably not care. And if it DID Amsoil has a warranty, which is not perfect but better than no warranty.

Jeff DeWitt wrote in news:v1Yug.61285$ snipped-for-privacy@tornado.southeast.rr.com:

I do to.

That's probably my favorite Spam recipe.

XS11E wrote in news:Xns9804567784508xs11eyahoocom@70.168.83.30:

I probably meant "I do too".

Possibly "I do two?"

Or "Me2"

I like the stuff too. Saw a Spam cook off on TV a bit ago. Some of the things they do with it is amazing. My wife freaks at the mention of the stuff so I don't eat it often. LOL!

Mike

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Mike Romain wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@sympatico.ca:

It can be pretty greasy if not prepared right, if that's her objection maybe you could try a different recipe and see if she's OK with it?

LOL! No, it's worse than that, she won't even tolerate the smell of the can being opened...

Mike

fried spam with melted jalapeño cheddar, mmm mmm good!