OT: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?

JB Hunt:

LTL companies don't use owner operators. At least YellowRoadway doesn't. LTL companies are mostly Union, often Teamster's.

TL freight companies use both company trucks and owner operators or "independent contractors" as they are now called. The company drivers are employees.Some used to be union, but that's a thing of the past. OO-only companies exist but they are not the big ones. All the BIG companies own tractors and a lot of them. Most also have IC's.

Some OOs haul brokered freight and are not leased out to anyone.

Since anyone can confirm this for themselves, it just goes to show that you are apparently a victim of CJD or "mad cow" disease or early onset Alzheimer's. No other explanation fits the facts.

And you must be a Jerk that just likes talking off topic bull s*it to start fights.

"No other explanation fits the facts"

Mike

I read the article you posted and it said pretty much what I knew to be the case-everyone in the TL business WANTS to sign the mythical golden "smart businessman IC" but there are hardly none out there. We weren't talking about what fleets wanted but what they had. While fleets don't want to be quoted exactly they all estimate major TL van, flatbed, and reefer operators are all between ten and twenty-five percent IC's. That means 75% to 90% of fleet tractors are company owned.

Considering that people who are really good business people have other career options besides living in a truck, those numbers aren't likely to change radically in the near future.

I've been sand bagging this way OT bun fight and, at risk of prolonging it, found some stats:

Preeshaydit if you hands would 10-3 this thread or move it over to channel 19.

I'm back out.

Steve

Ted Azito wrote:

From the same page: There are over 3 million truck drivers in the U.S. alone. Of those 3 million, there are over 1 million long haul drivers who are owner/operators.

Let's see, when confronted with legitimate arguments, Bill ultimately turns to personal insults - a typical tactic of weenie liberals. ;)

But "most long haul truckers are independent businessman, and probably run two log books to make it" wasn't what you said in your original statement. There were no "most" and "probably" qualifiers. Actually, the only qualifier in your original statement was "every:"

Ted was taking issue with your assumptions that EVERY trucker is an OO and EVERY trucker runs two logs. (I assume that's illegal, I'm not a trucker.) And you're the only one that brought up retail companies, and no one was referring to them...only trucking companies.

Your flip-flops would make a liberal weenie proud....

truckers are independent businessman, and probably run two log books to make it. And that all the retail companies got out of the transportation

No, I responded to to your good buddy fellow TFID when HE posted off topic erroneous and wrong-headed, peckerwood mentality crap. "Professional" drivers who grossly violate houirs of service regulations are not professional drivers, they're criminals, no different from punks who drag race for money on public streets and both deserve to lose their toys and be publicly paddled like children if I had anything to say about it. Make these redneck ########' kids watch as tough Daddy gets his ass beat and Tabasco put on the open wounds.

However, it's very EASY for me to believe that you once again change the subject when presented with your own inconsistencies.

If someone can't run a business without gross violation of the law and risk to public safety, they should find something else to do.

If you break down my salary divided by hours worked, it ends up being well into three figures per hour. You asked.

----- Original Message ----- From: "L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 4:01 PM Subject: Re: OT: Not Every Trucker Runs Two Logs

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