when does 'flippage' begin?

approx .0001 of a degree before you decide that you are in trouble.

Yup.

Every bounce and every Jeep has a different 'O S*it' level.

(been over twice sideways)

Mike

jbjeep wrote:

I would have liked it better if I had gotten the clutch all the way to the floor.... oh well, makes for a great conversation piece I guesse. LOL.

On Mon., Jul 26, 2004, 6:19pm snipped-for-privacy@saw.net (jbjeep) wrote: approx .0001 of a degree before you decide that you are in trouble.

--------------------------------------------------------------- That is no good. What if I need more time? You know, to make sure I get _all_ of the good cuss words out!

On Mon., Jul 26, 2004, 9:28pm snipped-for-privacy@sympatico.ca (Mike=A0Romain) wrote: Yup. Every bounce and every Jeep has a different 'O S*it' level. (been over twice sideways) Mike

----------------------------------------------------------- What if a person goes at the climb nice and easy? No need to 'gas it' due to a fear of not getting up the hill, therefore not a lot of bouncing. I have a couple of logging 'roads' on my new property and I would _really_ like to make a couple of trails. I don't know any other Jeep people around where I live and I don't want to go it alone if I don't have to. I have walked some of the 'roads' and in places they are kind of steep, and some places have small trenches due to rain and stuff. Perhaps I'll take some pics and post a few 'clickable' jpeg files? Dan

You can get a decent hand cable winch sometimes called a Come-A-Long or a fence puller at farm supply stores. These can be really handy.

Both times I went over I was running solo. One was a couple hours hike back to camp and one was 8 miles in 3' of snow starting at 9 at night back to camp with a pulled groin muscle. Camp is still 10 or 20 miles from a phone. Loggers were working in the area on the second one and they refused to bring their skidder with it's 6' high chained tires in after me. They figured they would get stuck and the hundred dollar bills I had wouldn't change their minds. They went out and called the local snowmobile club and they sent a tracked John Deer groomer in for me. He got stuck trying to get to me and had to winch himself out.

The first time we were going about 2 mph and tried to make the up hill side of a fork in the road on ice. It needed maybe a 5 or 7 point turn and my son tried it in 3. She spun sideways slowly and slowly slid off the drop off at the side of the road. He had 'no' control once it broke free.

The second time, the side of the trail collapsed on me and I was running on a flat at about 20 mph on snowmobile packed trails. This one almost flipped me turtle into a beaver pond. I stopped moving with deep water about 3' straight down from my plastic door with the Jeep totally on it's side. If the snow had of been any shallower, well.......

If you buckle up and take it easy you 'can' be just fine or the unexpected can jump out and bite you.

Mike

Just thinking.....I know there's issues with being wheels up! Main one I guess is the oil migrating!

You guys got a good procedure for what to do after righting the jeep?! I got an 02tj and am itching in a bad way to get out...but will most likely run solo and want to have the tools/methods to take care of myself if needed (or WHEN needed!).

It _really_ seems to impress folks when you dont make a single sound!

(especially when they all have heard my mouth on the trails...)

I was more worried about gas leaking out over the time it took to get it back rubber down. (12 and 24 hours) The check valves in the gas tank worked at least.

I had a bit of oil out the valve cover air intake and never really worried about oil filling a cylinder or anything but hand turned the fan first just to be sure it wasn't hydrolocked.

If I had of been full turtle and filled a cylinder, I would take the plugs out then fire her over, same for water injestation. If I run deep water, I run really low rpm. Less chance of blowing something and if I hear that gurgle, I would hit the key off fast.

All the plugs have to come out to clear it. WD40 is a great cleaner for plugs, either wet or oily. Same for the distributor cap. (Older vehicles can have leaky seals so the distributor cap can get oil in it if you are turtle.)

Other than that, don't ride alone...... Ya I know, do as I say, not as I do eh.... ;-)

I am almost always up for a run if I have gas money this week.

Mike

SB wrote:

I'd take you up on the run...but being the new guy at work I seem to be on-call all the time. The extra $ is nice but damned if it isn't a pain in the arse sometimes!

how do you know hydrolock? is there too much pressure in the engine that it won't let it turn at all? Do you still pop the spark plugs and relieve it that way?

Well, I am 'off call' all the time right now unfortunately, so am available almost any time.

We are heading out Friday supper towards Bancroft sort of and camping on crown land in deep bush. My wife, myself, Steve and Jo in TO (or 'Mad Jo' as some of us know her as.) ;-) from this group so far are coming.

We are coming back Sunday for some big restaurant opening and they are coming back Monday.

We are going here:

Oil can hydrolock it if it is tipped too steep to long, that is why you try it careful. A good starter and battery can damage things if they have space to come up to a hit from a cylinder 1/4 full of any liquid. Fully locked and the starter just clicks.

Not a good thing.

Mike

SB wrote:

I'm off 2nd week in August for a trip with la famille to disney in florida. Then I'm on call all the way past labour day weekend....ack! nuts!

You guys are off to Moosonee/james bay then. make sure you get pictures man! I never seemed to have a camera when I was up in moosonee working! Freeze and thaw is nice with the river right there...of course the only way to moose factory is by chopper at that point! And I tell ya, if you want a nice place to stay....stay on the island (the reserv is over there). I honestly can't remember the name of the place, but it's only a few years old and a big lodge for campers/hunters/fisher-ers! I actually bought my digital camera when I was in moosonee (they actually have a Radio shack -- A&W too last I was there! [A&W will build anywhere! haha]). I neglected to buy batteries when I got the camera and didn't have time to go back before flying out. The only 2 places to stay in moosonee are: The Osprey and the Polar Bear Inn (unless any have been built in the past 2 years!). They weren't roach motels when I was there...but at the Osprey you could sure hear yer neighbor passing gas! Never stayed at the Polar Bear.

Pictures Pictures Pictures man!!

Maybe mid-late september might be time for another trip...as you might be 'tripped' out after labour day.

Roma> > > > > >

We went to Moosonee a couple years back through Ontario. You can only drive 30 miles past Chochrane so we rented a couple canoes and finished the trip by river. It took us 7 days on the river to get there. That was one 'fun' trip! We stayed at the Osprey.

This year we are driving all the way up through Quebec. They have opened the hydro dam road up to the public. It is a 1400 km from Ottawa drive up to Chisasibi on the shore of James Bay and we are about 400 km from Ottawa. About a 1200 mile or 1800 km trip one way.

Mike

SB wrote: