2006 Sedona EX fuel pump issues

miles on the vehicle. We love the car, nice ride with great options. Around 1800 miles it started making an obnoxious whirring noise from under the second row passenger seat intermittently.
We took the car to the dealer in which they determined it was from the fuel pump. The pump was on a worldwide back order and was expected to be a 2 to 3 week lead time. After some pressure on the dealer they found one at a Hyundai dealer and replaced the pump. We go to pick the van up and the check engine light is on, don't even get it out of the parking space. Leave it at the dealer, they reset it and test drive the van for 20 miles, they see no problems. We pick it up and the next morning the check engine light is on.
Its back to the dealer the next day who tells us they need to get the area rep involved as they have no idea on how to repair it, this was on June 30th with the balance of the issues starting on June 26th. We are told they will need to keep the vehicle for an extended period of time and they gave us a rental car. Here it is July 21st and there's no expected repair date.
We have contacted the KIA consumer hotline 3 times; they call the dealer and let us know what they said on each instance. It's basically a waste of time. On our last call we finally got someone that cared and has contacted our KIA rep directly. There are apparently 4 pumps in the USA and none are in our reps area, so at this point they don't have to release a pump to my rep for repairs unless he jumps through hoops.
I was originally told that 75 vehicles had defective pumps; however it seems that this problem is starting to pop up more frequently according to our dealer. There is a bypass spring in the pump that appears to cause this problem according to our dealer.
Has anyone else had an obnoxious whirring noise in their 2006 KIA Sedona coming from under the second row driver's side passenger seat where the fuel pump is mounted? Or did we just happen to get a lemon? You should not hear the fuel pump running.
As the vehicle has been out of service long enough to meet our state Lemon Laws we will be starting the procedures for a refund on the vehicle as there is no firm date as to when they can make a repair. Sadly enough I think this will be the only way to pressure them into repairing our van.
TIA
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06 KIA Sedona EX
What code did the computer return when the engine light turned on? I find it hard to believe that the dealer is unable to figure out how to fix your car when the only thing they should have touched is the fuel tank and the fuel pump assembly. That pretty much narrows down the range of things that are the most likely to cause a check engine light upon reassembly.
Chris
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halatos

=== BIG problem with almost all Kia service Dept.s they don't have the training or know how to address any problems. Having to keep calling Kia Reps is not what I call a good sign. I have a 03 Sorento with the gas V6 and so far it's been really good. but I have not driven it a great deal . But if I start having problems like some others have had its. bye!bye! Kia Sorento and all Kias. DK
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Shines
I would certainly agree with the issues that Kia has with warranty service. However, in Kia's defense, they do seem to build a pretty tough vehicle. I have a 1997 Sephia that I have been pretty rough with and at 97000 miles it's still running strong. I do all the maintenance myself, I don't let any mechanics work on it. I think that's the key, which obviously makes owning a Kia a problem for folks who are not mechanically inclined.
Chris
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halatos
I think I have posted this before.
But I have two Kia dealers in my nearby area. One I would stack against any dealership of any make anywhere. The other is a dud.
But the level of expertise at the one I do business at is commendable. They really know their stuff.
Sorry about your bad experience, but there are some good ones out there, though maybe not in your area.
Tom Wenndt
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Rev. Tom Wenndt
evap leakage test sys problem cleared code. Test drove (start miles 2191) unable to get code to come back (end miles 2214) no further codes detected."
I picked the van up and drove it home with no check engine light aprx 4 miles. Next morning the light was on. At this point the fuel pump was quiet. They told me they would need to keep it for an extended period of time to diagnose the problem. I recieved a rental car at that point.
The dealer told me they also took a known good fuel pump from another vehicle and its doing the same thing with the noise. I just dont see how replacing the fuel pump will clear the check engine light or the noise. The car ran fine before they replaced the pump with no check engine lights on.
He felt that the fuel pump needed to be handled gingerly as to not damage it before installing it. My reply was " If the pumps that sad that you can't get it from one dealer to another without it getting handled roughly, how is it going to handle the beating it will take while driving the vehicle?" He agreed that was a pretty lame excuse.
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06 KIA Sedona EX
I have no faith in the dealer. I am extremely mechanicaly inclined and am not easily snowed. It's just been excuse after excuse, most of them different reasons. At one point they told me they had no idea on what to due to fix it. Thats when they told me they would need it for an extended period of time.
I am glad to hear you've had a good experience with your vehicle. I am hoping we will too.
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06 KIA Sedona EX
First off, just as an FYI - OBD-II diagnostic codes start with a letter and are followed by four digits. Your code is actually P0447, not PO447. P0447 is a generic OBD-II diagnostic code. Anything that starts with P0xxx is considered a 'generic' code that is not manufacturer specific. If it begins with P1xxx, then the meaning of the code is manufacturer specific, so if you have a P1555 it could mean one thing on a BMW and something completely different on a Kia.
In your case, the bottom line is an evap system code means just that...either a vent/purge valve has failed or hasn't been plugged back in. Other possibilities are a misrouted vapor line, a leak where the line connects to the fuel tank or charcoal canister, or even a bad gas cap(!) Basically, changing the fuel pump usually involves dropping the tank, and thus several lines need to be disconnected and subsequently reconnected. It sounds to me like they didn't hook something up correctly.
Evap system faults should not be that hard to find. Can you take the vehicle to another dealer?
Chris
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halatos
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And so begin the quality issues with the new Sedona. Can't say I'm shocked...
-- Christian
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CMM
And so begin the quality issues with the new Sedona. Can't say I'm shocked... >>>
Nonsense. There are bound to be issues. My van also had a noisy fuel pump. Kia replaced the WHOLE VAN. My Subaru ALSO had a noisy fuel pump. Took weeks to fix. My 2006 Sedona has been perfect after 5000 miles and we keep getting calls from Major Kia to make sure we're happy. Free oil changes too! My friend's 2005 Toyota Sienna has tranny and window problems. But even without those problems he prefers my Sedona because it's got a real engine in it. The poor Sienna can't get out of it's own way.
Capt RB NY
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Capt. RB
I'll admit that is good but apparently not the deal the OP is getting (at least not at this point). It is unfortunate that Kia had no interest in such quality and satisfaction before the current year's model. It does still remain to be seen if Kia will continue its current trend and if the vehicles will prove to be good in the long run.
-- Christian
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CMM
Like I stated previously, I was an early adopter to Kia. I have a 1997 Sephia that I drive the hell out of, and with almost 98,000 miles behind me it still runs great. While some claim that the Kia vehicles are of low quality, my counter to that argument is that most of the people who bought the cars could barely afford them. It doesn't matter what car you buy, without maintenance it will fall apart. Kia's are no worse than anything else out there if you take care of them.
Chris
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halatos
It does still remain to be seen if Kia will continue its current trend and if the vehicles will prove to be good in the long run. >>>
With Kia working under you know who, it's a done deal at this point. Kia quality is now matching Hyundia and even my friend who works at New Rochelle Toyota admits that.
Capt RB NY
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Capt. RB
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I'm glad your Sephia is performing as desired. However, I know that my Sedona is worse than other vehicles I've owned even though it has received good maintenance. I can't help but compare it to my '96 Plymouth Voyage. While several people have told me that Voyagers of that time are junk, it has nearly 200K miles and is far superior to my Sedona, which is 6 years newer and about 95K miles less driven. I've posted a list elsewhere so won't repeat it in full but some of the problems my Sedona has that my Voyager does not are: non-working A/C, burning oil, malfunctioning sliding doors, broken interior door handles, poorly-functioning windshield wipers, easy denting, and much more.
I know I'm not the only person to have lots of problems with a Sedona (or with a Kia in general).
From now on, I'll limit my sniping at Kia to threads where it's relevent (e.g. when someone asks about quality or if a Sedona would be a good vehicle to buy, etc.).
-- Christian
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CMM
However, I know that my Sedona is worse than other vehicles I've owned even though it has received good maintenance. .>>
The Sedona you own simply has nothing to do with the new one. No way would I buy a Voyager/Caravan OR the older version of the Sedona. My family had to Caravans and they were both horrible. The 2002-2005 Sedona rep is mediocre at best. You seem to be hoping that the new Kia/Hynduai products are poor, but the facts are already leaning towards a massive improvement. I'm now of the opinion that the Sedona is not only a good value, but probably the best minivan period. A loaded EX gets close enough to 30K, so I can't call it cheap. Still, it's a match for the Honda and Toyota cars and a new Caravan feels like a dinosaur from the switch gear to the powertrain. Does this mean the "new" Sedona is problem free? Of course not. But it's been the most problem free new car we've owned...requiring (so far) one dealer visit and loss of 3-4 hours max. I only wish my buddies Sienna had that record and so does he. My Subaru (a 36K SUV) had loss of TC and antilock 3 times and cost me 3 days of work. Two new caravans suffered steering problems, major electrical issues and worse.
RB 35s5 NY
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Capt. RB
No, I hope they're great. I'm just saying that the old ones were terrible but Kia marketed them as quality instead of saying, "buy our poor (or mediocre) minivan." Which is understandable but hurts Kia's credibility.My point is, it's a bit too soon to jump in until the new generation of Sedona has proved itself. Others may not feel this way, which is fine.
I mentioned my Voyager because Chris ( snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com) seemed to indicate that if a vehicle is troublesome, it's because of poor maintenance, which is hardly the case here.
-- Christian
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CMM
My point is, it's a bit too soon to jump in until the new generation of Sedona has proved itself. Others may not feel this way, which is fine. >>>
It MIGHT be too soon. Time will tell as we rack up more miles. But the Sedona need only last 3-5 years for us as we never drive cars into the ground. On the other hand, we put a LOT of miles on cars, so if the Sedona has issues, we'll find them. So far so perfect for the new Sedona. From seats to engine power, it clobbers the Sienna. I'm hoping Subaru comes out with a AWD luxury van because I'm a fan and would probably buy one.
RB 2006 Sedona EX
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Capt. RB
I agree, time will tell.You and other owners of the new generation of Sedona will have to keep us posted. If any significant issues crop up with one year's model, they'll hopefully be addressed for the subsequent years.
Happy driving!
-- Christian
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CMM
"Basically, changing the fuel pump usually involves dropping the tank, and thus several lines need to be disconnected and subsequently reconnected. It sounds to me like they didn't hook something up correctly. "
Actually the pump and filter assembly are located under the left seat in the 2nd row. (hence the location of the whining sound) If you tilt that seat forward there is a small square patch of carpet that un-velcro'ed reveals the assembly. There is a few bolts and a couple of connectors. Nothing complex looking. I stumbled on it when exploring our new Entourage.
I hope they work out a solution for you soon. I'm wondering if they are too focused on the pump since that is what they worked on while a new somewhat unrelated problem has popped up to throw the code.
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art.obrien
I bought a secondhand Sedona a year ago (with about 26,000 miles-- so barel y driven) and the car has had all these same problems-- extreme power loss, shutting off while driving, spewing gasoline while it's being filled. The car is a lemon. KIA says after 10 years there is no warranty on the car whi ch is crap. It's a safety issue and they never bothered to properly recall theses cars before the end of the warranty period so these issues could be addressed. I have several links to others who have posted similar problems with the 06 sedona. Shame on KIA. I'm done with the brand
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rkaplon

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