B'stard Brown

Lifted from pistonheads

pre March 2001 cars to 1549cc up £5 from this month to £120, +£5 next April, +£5 the April after. pre March 2001 cars over 1549cc up £5 from this month to £180, +£5 next April, +£5 the April after. Mar01 onwards - band A stays nil Mar01 onwards - band B down to £35 Mar01 onwards - bands C-E up by same £5, £5, £5 as pre Mar-01 Mar01 onwards - band F up £10 this year then £5 and £5 New band G - £300 now then £400 next year, no mention of the year after.

So basically, up a fiver a year for "our old jalopies"

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Last time he unjustifiably put the tax cos folk with 4x4s can afford it (theres no other logical reason) it was supposed to be for newly manufactured cars only.

This increase is also for newly manufactured cars only.

However last time, we ended up paying it on a six year old car.......it follows that i expect to part with 400 quid for no good reason when it needs renewing.

Brown is a W*N**R and he has no idea. My 6 year old has more sense and interlect than this moron. I hope to god no one vote Labour in when he is PM......you think blair is bad???

Er... why did you pay on a 6 year old motor if the effective date is post March 2001?

I actually see the hike as quite fair and quite green (apart from being Tax), I see nothing specifically aimed at 4x4's, it's aimed on the emissions which is fair doos.

Perhaphs I'd be more bitter if I owned a vehicle new enough to be effected I guess. Lets face it , it's no great surprise is it! And it's also a kick up the arse that Landrover have badly needed for a long time to broaden there range or face the wall.

Lee D

It's hardly 'green'. This is a tax on ownership, not use.

You don't need to tax a car to own it - yet.

bands and prices here -

If your car is pre March 2001 or March 2006 for band G then chill! no major change. If you own a March 2006 onwards Rangie Sport then be ready to suck the mop.

Lee

Heh, its when Astra owners realise they're about to be shafted that we will see a real revolt in the masses - yes ASTRA's - a 2.0 astra is a

ah, the joys of landrover ownership

Si

If my old audi was assessed under the new rules, I'd be paying £145 rather than £180, I wonder if I can ask for a re-assessment ;-)

This tax is nothing at all to do with emmission

We have 2 cars :

A ford escort 1.6 petrol. does around 30k miles per year up and down the country. I have been known to fill it 4 times in the same week.

A Freelander TD4 that does 10k a year if that, as my partner work is not that far away. It 2.0 liter diesel and registered at 240mg/km

The Escort is the biggest pollutor as it does more miles. It also causes mor damage to the roads again as it goes further. It is service more, producing more waste oil, tyres and old warn part to be disposed off.

There is no doubt in my mind which of our cars causes the most damage to the environment.

Ironically its not the one that pay the massively hiked "green" tax one.

I agree that the pollutor should pay more. The problem is that taxing on engine size/co2 figures is not a fair and effective way to go about it.

The govenment live and work in london and don't think about people out side london. Maybe they think that the people that can afford a "Chelsea Tractor" and live in the city, can afford to pay £400 quid a year for the priviliage.

This is just another tax hike for no other reason than to put more money into Browns coffers. It has nothing to do with the environment and pollution. If that were the case my escort would cos around three times more to run per year than the freelander.

But comparing like for like then it is fair. If you did 30k a year in the Freelander then there is no real argument. They have to have some benchmark to work from. If they were to tax you more just because it was a 4x4 , or an Astra, or a Bentley then that would be unfair, but they aren't it's based on emissions. You also pay more tax on the Escort in the fuel you are using so it really is a swings and roundabouts argument.

:-)

Lee

On or around Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:26:46 GMT, rads enlightened us thusly:

for once, I'm glad I renewed mine early.

They could just admit this is all bollocks, and just an excuse to extract more money from us. If we stop emitting C02 now, the Chinese INCREASE in emissions will replace ours in 12 months.

Steve

On or around Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:25:22 GMT, "Vertuas" enlightened us thusly:

you also pay more duty on the fuel and more VAT on the fuel and the fuel duty and all the other stuff.

Nope you've got me there, whats the threshold now you've raised it?

Lee

Never mind swings, roundabouts and £400 band G, can anyone explain to me how scrapping the 10% income tax band and replacing it with 20% is going to make me better off?

Steve

It is related to emmissions but only in a very tenuious way, it is a tax on ownership, as it always has been.

Looking at the summary of increases it's generally a fiver. How much fuel does a fiver buy you? Just over a gallon. Is that *really* going to stop people using the car for a mile or so trip to the shops or the mile or so urban school run? No it isn't.

Because at the moment it is 22% (IIRC). I don't think anyone's done the sums yet, but it's a 'give and take' budget so the net result for most will be

As was pointed out on the box today, the real reason for these income taxation changes was so Brown can legitimately call himself a tax cutting chancellor and grab some headlines - in reality he's nothing of the sort. And for his last consecutive 11 budgets, his forecasts for public sector borrowing have been too small.

As far as I understand it, you now start paying (or will do from 1 Apr next year) 20% from where your personal tax (free) allowance ends up to the new (again from 1/4/08) 43k threshold for higher tax. I don't know for sure where the thresholds are at the moment, but for the sake of argument let's say that the personal allowance (the free bit) is 5k, you then pay 10% on earnings above 5k to 15k, after that 22% from 15k to 40k and after that the higher rate. As of next year you still get your 5k allowance but then immediately start paying 20% right up to the higher threshold. So B'stard Brown now gets an extra 10% tax on the 10k income between 5k and 15k. If you're on a relatively comfortable 35-40k a year the 2% reduction might make up for the extra you pay on the lower part of your income. But if you're a low earner and previously only paid tax at 10% you're now going to have double that amount taken out of your pocket! So much for the socialist ethos.

So, somebody please tell me I've got it all wrong and b'stard Brown really is our fairy godmother and hasn't just pulled the wool over everyones eyes.

Steve

but for the sake of argument let's

I think that the 10% tax is just for the first £2150. So even a minimum wage earner would not really suffer too much given that the plan is to reduce the low band from 22% to 20%.

But since when has Blair's 'New Labour' been anything to do with socialism, they just robbed the middle ground from the Tories - they had to, otherwise Hell would freeze over before they got elected.

Julian.

As someone on a low income who at the moment only pays 10% tax, next year my tax bill is going to double just so that that c*nt can pretend to be a tax-cutting chancellor?? He might be giving somewhere, but he's definitely only taking from me and everyone else who at the moment only pays 10%! ....unless someone here can better decipher what the changes mean?

Steve ...feeling a bit sour at the moment.