Disco Vs Trooper - shocking result!

Right, whatever. I trust you saw my post as an attack on your beloved LR? Well, it wasn't & really your posts show your unrelenting faith in something that is flawed in more ways than one.

Still, the next time your LR breaks down you can rest assured I would be there to pull you out of the shit!

BTW, I wonder how many LR have heads that go astray after 12 years, or even

2 years? QAs for rust, get a grip matey, LR can rot like mild steel in the rain at the drop of a hat as can any machine made from the same substance without the correct protection. I used to work on Austin Rover in the early 80's & can tell you the switchgear inside this 6 year old LR is right out of a Montego & it was crap then!

Your point makes no mention of the fact at any point in time you could, whatever vehicle you are driving experience a serious mechanical failure, shit build quality is endemic I'm afraid.

Nige

Probably as I cross-posted it!!!! ;~)

It was meant to appeal to both sets of owners anyway, but he seems to have taken it as a full frontal assault on LR. Not the case at all as my next purchase will be a brand new rangie in a year or so!

The 3.1 is indeed a great engine & my own view as to the few head replacements I have heard about on import vehicles is the 'sea' factor in Japan, you are never more than a few miles form the sea so you can't really get it up to a good temperature & the traffic is red hot busy & as is the climate (in most of Japan) Never heard of a UK trooper having the head replaced at 40k!

I would 't swap my Trooper for a LR of the same age for a start! But I can confirm, they are both VERY different vehicles as the LR is much better off road & is slightly more refined on road.

Cheers

Nige

I have to say I am surprised that anyone can post on how bad a disco is / how good a trooper is then take offence when someone has a go back. I suggest he confines this sort of post to alt.fan.japcrap in future

Andy

I agree, I don't actually think Troopers are bad cars, I just don't like being told they are better than Discoverys by someone with virtually no experience of either! :)

Because he was replying to some f****it of a Trooper owner who cross posted to alt.FAN.landrover.... maybe ?

I'm not sure why the original poster (Nige) posted to a.f.l. explaining to all the Land Rover fans that he prefers his Isuzu that is currently out of commission to the loan Land Rover, I guess he's either a troll or he just doesn't know any better.

Whatever lights his candle I guess !

Oh, FWIW the BMW engines are s**te too but we still love our Land Rovers anyway :-) The Isuzu engines are a good compromise because they are cheap and in plentiful supply second hand... not sure why, maybe the engine is the only bit left when the rest of the vehicle has fallen apart ? The problem with LR's is they keep outlasting their engines. Shame they can't get an engine to stay reliable over the 200,

000 miles mark :-(

cheers

Dave W.

Well, keep them going strong... then when the rest of the cars written off us Hybrid builders will pick them up and stick them in a proper car :-)

Lee D

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We sure will. But, let me give you a piece of advice: if you do ever take your car off road, make sure to buy a winch, because God knows, I'm sick and tired of pulling Jeeps and LRs out of shit.

By the way, how is your field car doing? Stuck in a pile of cow crap?

Mike

Loving the last of a true ORV--the Isuzu Trooper.

I take it I need a winch because the Trooper has a problem mounting one or the driver is not intellectually advanced enough to own one ??

Have a nice day :-))

in article x_xpc.11729$7S2.7603@newsfe1-win, Hirsty's at snipped-for-privacy@ntlworld.com wrote on 15/5/04 11:48 pm:

Btw, I realise that this comment was tongue in cheek, I just wanted to put my 2 cents in ;-)

It reminds me of the attitude of British bike riders in the 70's, (in response to the Japanese 'invasion') just as the UK industry was in its death throes.

Some guy has the bad manners to criticise a Discovery, and he drives a Trooper... who cares? I don't... this isn't football (thank God).

I couldn't care less if somebody, nobody, anybody thinks my Defender is crap, brilliant or whatever.

Have some confidence in what you decided when you got a LR - nobody else's opinion really matters.

Neither could I, otherwise would have sold up and bought one. The old saying " sticks and stones " springs to mind. Note the smiley on the origional reply!!

I bought mine with a reason in mind and so far it has fitted the bill perfectly, the kids love it; as far as off-road is concerned I use when I have to, suits me and thats all that counts personally.

John H

110 CSW 300 Tdi

Couldn't have put it better myself ;-)

I agree I couldn't care less what people think of my Landy but to make the statement he did in Alt.Fan.Landrover is a bit like standing in Old Trafford and shouting "Man United are crap and everyone should pop over to Maine Road and watch City" I somehow don't think he would get off so lightly there

Andy

Thats a bit ignorant I'm afraid. In my opinion, the coil sprung trooper has a far far higher build quality than discos ever achieved. Reliability wise I'm afraid the trooper wins too. Have a think about LRs marvelous 200 & 300 tdi boxes where they forgot to include sufficient lubrication. You wont see many troopers loosing all drive at 100K. By the time most discos reach 100k, all the suspension bushes, springs and shocks have had it, the intercooler hoses have collapsed loosing a fair bit of power, and the injector pump's ready for service. Not to mention massive amounts of driveline backlash, leaking oil seals and knackered swivels. On the other hand most troopers of that age are still tight and reliable, in the mechanicals department, and on the whole much more sound. Of course things wear out like suspension on all vehicles, but not that soon...

The fact that landrovers outlast their engines is in my opinion nothing to do with build quality. Its more down to the amount of attention and servicing/repairs they've recieved over the lifespan. You can keep any car going for as long s you like with enough time/money spent on it. Just because there are lots of minis on the road still doesn't mean they were well built, most were seriously corroded by the 5 year old mark. Land Rovers are no different. I bet there aren't many in this group in the UK, with Landys more than 10 years old that haven't had welding done or a major mechanical component replaced.Be interesting to find out.

Just because a.f.l is a group for land rover fans, doesn't mean that we should go about claiming they're something they are not. On the whole, without being specific they're unreliable and have serious corrorion and build quality issues. On the plus side they do their job well and the parts are cheap!! It's probably because there are so many loyal fans, and the marque has built up a reputation that so few improvements have been made to clear faults in build and design. Only recently has LR started to take things a bit more seriously.

Andy

So you've obviously never needed to winch yourself out of a tight spot. Probably enough Troopers around.. :-/

As it goes mandible I use a hand winch to save weight, the two times I got stuck; one was a winch out with the hand winch, the second sure enough was helped by troopers ............ very nice blokes but bit scary with the AK74's. They had clapped out Series II's but kept them going with any old bits to hand, funny enough they never mentioned having to replace a head though . bodies yes ... heads no.

Do not worry. He is reading this group. With a purpose..... LR's are very nice cars but the reliability is much worse than any Isuzu. LR's are better looking. I would like one with Trooper engine, drive train etc. Anyone knows that any Isuzu, Nissan or Toyota will outperform a Land Rover. Land Rover is a passion for most owners and I can understand the feeling. They go for the feeling and the love for the vehicle much more then the usefullness, quality or reliability. Let them do so. They will never exchance their car for anything Japanese. I would trade my car for a Nissan or Toyota very easy because of the quality and not for the looks. With my 'Japanese crap' I drive from Amsterdam to Rome and back not even taking a tool kit with me........ Kind regards, Erik-Jan.

On or around Thu, 20 May 2004 03:25:33 +0200, Erik-Jan Geniets enlightened us thusly:

hmmm... Isuzu engines, I grant you, seem pretty bomb-proof.

that's such a sweeping an general statement as to be meaningless. what are your criteria? on-road? off-road? speed? economy? towing? ease of maintenance? cost of parts?

in some areas, some of the above will outperform some Land Rover models. in other areas, they're not so good.

Having got stuck in a forest on the side of a Portugese mountain in a Nissan Micra, I have to dispute this statement.