forgot to renew last years SORn and now bin slapped with £40 fine, the thing is just a rusting ulk that i'll never put back on the road, and simple oversite gonna cost me bastards. Tax if you do use it and taxed if you dont.
Grrrrr,
tony
Yeah I hate that...
My range rover will not ever doubtably see tarmac again... I only keep it cause i like the sound of it!
Tony wibbled
Isn't that the one you sold [1] last November, for which you have an illegible handwritten receipt, but for which you couldn't find the logbook, but the byer didn't mind as he was using it solely in off-road competitions?
;)
Mates excuse, which he somehow, so he says, got away with ... but which I'm inclined to actually believe.
if you can find a proof of posting certificate for a dvla address from before the sorn ran out you could write them a letter including it saying it must have got lost in the post. Or use the same approach to say you sent the v5 back and scrapped it.
On or around Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:23:50 GMT, "Tony" enlightened us thusly:
they got me for that on the bike, buggrem, last year.
There's no good reason why SORN need renewing, it's simply an excuse to extort money.
Lets all write to the MPs about it.
On or around Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:55:48 +0000, Tom Woods enlightened us thusly:
If you "scrap" it, then it precludes anyone ever rebuilding it without having to re-register it.
apart from that...
On or around Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:23:50 GMT, "Tony" enlightened us thusly:
I've molished a petition about it. assuming they allow it - there's another one calling for it to be scrapped, but that ain't gonna happen.
Austin Shackles wibbled
Can't find yours. Saw the other one, but that sounds very weak and knee-jerk rather than useful.
Tis indeed. The bastards do the same thing here, but at least all they do is hit your for the tax otherwise payable, not with a fine.
I reckon the revenue-raising thing is secondary. The main purpose is to introduce an extra hassle-factor into owning an older vehicle, which will, in time, make people give up and scrap them for good, thereby appeasing their chums in the "green" lobby. The historic vehicle tax exemption really was a bit of an own-goal for Labour and its "green" credentials.
That's "green" rather than green, by the way :-)
Accept that you have forgotten. Contact the DVLA and tell them so, assure them the vehicle is still off the road.
They may overturn the fine. They may insist you pay. If they insist you pay you're sure to remember next year. You could of course lie but that wouldn't be right and you would be commiting offences in doing so. I guess you already know what you are going to do and the comments are purely a vent of frustration.
I'd be frustrated too, then I'd kick myself and cough up.
Lee D
I can tell youve not dealt with the DVLA before! :) It took me 2 letters after i got fined through an error on their behalf before they would admit they were in the wrong! There aint no chance theyre going to let you off!
and how stupid is it that you have to tell them every 12 months that nothing has changed with the SORNed vehicle. in a sensible system they could just assume that once initially sorned it stayed sorned until you taxed it again...
ah, but then they can justify their existence annually....
Steve
If the system were sensible then people wouldn't use them with no Tax and there would be no need for the system or the need for so much admin when a vehicle changes hands.
Yes I see your point but having spent so long dealing with criminals using pool motors and having to balance the cost of recovery and disposal to the council tax payer of those vehicles whilst not actually breaking the law ourselves is a bit of a minefield.
Hence the system we all know and love. It's not hard - when you sorn it you know you need to do it twelve months later. Fair enough people forget , thats why the DVLA send reminders, still doesn't stop busy people forgetting mind... which reminds me the Tax is due on the RR this month :-)
I'm not saying it's ideal but the idea of lieing my way out of forgetfullness is not one which I would personally choose, I'm a firm beleiver that the bigger system will somehow make me pay tenfold. Just my 2p worth mind. All boils down to where you draw your personal line in the sand, many play the systems as a game, for me life is to short so I just work with the system :-)
Lee D
People use vehicles without tax and insurance because they can get away with it, and if they are caught the consequences aren't too draconian to accept !
If our PCSOs were any use, they could keep an eye open for violations....
Steve
Not entering in to that debate, not my corner to fight so to speak. That be a matter for your magistrates. Of course the cost of a Taxi home and car being crushed may be enough to send some in to a spiral of instant debt so much so they have to sell the plasma screen and surround sound system.
H''mm quick google and thus far computer says no.
1.. Issue Fixed Penalty Notices (FPNs) for offences of disorder 2.. Detain for up to 30 minutes suspects who fail to give details 3.. Use reasonable force to detain as at 2 4.. Impose requirements and dispose of alcohol consumed in designated public places 5.. Enter any premises to save life and limb or prevent serious damage to property 6.. Carry out PACE road checks and stop vehicles to do so 7.. Stop and search vehicles & belongings in areas authorised under the Terrorism Act 2000. 8.. Seize vehicles used to cause alarm etc. 9.. Issue Fixed Penalty Notices for offences of cycling on footways, dog fouling, litter 10.. Require name and address from suspects 11.. Require name and address from person acting in anti-social manner 12.. Confiscate and dispose of alcohol from young persons 13.. Seize and dispose of tobacco from young persons 14.. Authorise removal of abandoned vehicles 15.. Stop vehicles for testing 16.. Make traffic directions for abnormal vehicles. Maybe time to write to your MP. Get more Police powers for your PCSO's but wouldn't that make them Police officers eventually policing on the cheap?Alternatively if a jobs worth doing.....
On or around Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:31:21 +1300, EMB enlightened us thusly:
that could be worse, depending on how long it'd been untaxed.
On or around Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:27:48 +0000, "Paul - xxx" enlightened us thusly:
it's not there yet, they have to approve it before they put it up. I'll let you know if they do.
On or around Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:45:56 -0000, "Lee_D" enlightened us thusly:
they don't make any guarantee to send out reminders, for SORN or licences. thus, if it doesn't show, you can't complain.
nevertheless, having to renew SORN is a pain and totally unnecessary. Once it's SORN, it's flagged as "shouldn't be on the road" and should show up instantly as such when you boys check the number plate. It remains off-road unless or until it's re-licensed.
If the reminder doesn't arrive it's no excuse either, DVLA send out reminders as a courtesy not a right.
AJH
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