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more v8 rebuild Q's! - replacing followers without cam

Right, i've had enough of trying to get the damn crank pulley off so am going to leave the cam for now and just do the head gaskets.

My heads are going to be ready tommorrow (being skimmed as there was damage at one end of one where the gasket had gone) so i can get it back together to drive next week.

Once it is running again i can drive it to somewhere who can undo my crank pulley for me before i start deconstruction - and it looks like i wont have to do the head geaskets again when i come to do the cam anyway.

My question is - should i fit new followers with the old cam or stick with the old followers for now. The followers i have looked at dont look overly worn apart from one - which is also on a worn cam lobe and seems to line up with the slight 'tick' the engine used to have. I have the new followers - should i just stick one in to replace the worn one and plan on replacing it again along with the cam?

Also - can anybody tell me what the 'official' number of hours for changing a cam+followers should be? (at a garage who know LR+rover v8's) . For the first time in my life I am getting very tempted to pay someone else to do this job! I'm guessing, since i know all the fasteners are now going to be easy to get off (bar the crank pulley) It could be done in less than a day.

I did manage to undo the 3 bolts holding the damper on in the end (you can get a spanner up the back with a bit of bending) - but then i couldnt actually get the damper to come off the pulley or get anywhere undoing the bolt using a small socket hammered on (my own impact wrench hasnt got the beans)

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Tom Woods
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Leave them until you replace the cam. You may get accelerated wear on the lifter otherwise which could be transfered to the new cam if you don't replace it. Not worth the hassle, let 'em tick!

Don't know if there is. Depending on efficiency of oil changing could be anywhere from 30K miles upwards ... I've heard some at 120K which sound fine but usually they're a bag of nails by then. Usual estimate is 70K upwards before they need changing, lot more than that before they

*require* changing! :-)
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AJG

Depends on how long you plan on leaving it before replacing the cam. If you're intending doing the cam in the next week or so, I'd leave well alone and do all the followers with the cam, and the chainwheels & chain at the same time obviously. If it's going to be a month or more, then fit a new follower in place of the damaged one now - but you must replace all 16 with the new cam or the part-worn one will wreck your new cam in a matter of days!

Personally, I'd be looking at around 8 hours start to finish (including set-up on crypton afterwards) from what you say re. all bolts etc coming out ok, but I've seen people take considerably longer. It all depends just how quick the individual can wield spanners and how easy things come apart!

No need to undo the bolts holding the damper, you need to undo the big bolt in the centre. 3/4" square drive socket, 3" extension bar and "T" handle or breaker bar. Place in 4th gear, handbrake on, and swing from underneath for maximum leverage!! Badger.

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Badger

Its going to be a couple of months atleast i would guess.

I had read about always replacing followers with the cam as they shape to it and can transfer wear to a new cam. I will replace the noisy one and any others that look knackered now and buy some more new ones to replace them again along with the cam - s'not like they are hugely expensive.

what is your labour rate per hour? ;)

as per my other thread - i was hoping that removing the damper would allow me to get a normal socket in there as you need a thin one to get in through the damper and can't see what is going on! All the ones i could borrow or buy locally here wouldnt fit down the hole.

is the crank pulley bolted through the damper then?. The damper doesnt even bloody exist according to the 101 workshop manual!

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Tom Woods

You got my meaning wrong.. im after pricing up the job for someone else to do! Ive got to say that the internals of my engine look pretty damn good.

80k kms on the clock and its not a recon engine cos it aint green. No sludge or untoward manky looking stuff inside it either - it is all stuck on the outside i think! (im gonna get charged extra for the head work for cleaning the disgusting thing!) valves all look nice too and were sealing well.

The army must have been good with the oil changes!

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Tom Woods

Wise move, IMO.

£27.50/hr, but I'm probably no use to you as I'm in the North of Scotland, Morayshire to be precise! Try and find someone who will let you spanner as well, if you can, that way you might save a bit on the labour.

Don't trust workshop manuals, especially for anything military! Rubber damper ring is normally bonded to the core part and an outer ring, the pulley normally bolts to the outer ring. I think! Badger.

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Reply to
Badger

Land Rover's 101 Parts Book shows shows identical crankshaft/damper etc. parts to the suffix 'B' and up engine from the early RRC with the addition of an oil thrower which was used on the suffix 'A' RRC engine.

I'll e-mail the relevant pages to you, Tom.

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Dougal

Apologies ...

In light of your experience I might be checking the 101 tomorrow to see what I've got in the way of pulleys and sockets ... for future reference if nothing else!

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AJG

From what i have found -

Check you have something to remove a spark plug with. needs a narrow

14 socket - im using the tube type one out of my old cars boot toolbox at the mo Have a look at the crank pulley.., See that dark hole in the middle of the pulley? - its about 3 inches down there and you need a deep 1.5/16ths socket by all accounts (ive not seen it yet!) that it needs to be very narrow to fit down the hole. Apparently the 'hammer a deep 32mm socket on' approach will work but not for me!
Reply to
Tom Woods

wooo. got some shiney heads! :) Shame to put em back and get em dirty in some ways ;) Now - what else is going to go wrong and prevent me from getting this thing running again by sunday?

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Tom Woods

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