...and Tom Woods spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
Getting a smaller front plate would avoid the damage caused by boots from above and a Hi-Lift from below, or the need to trim the plate to avoid same. I think 2" x 5" would look fine (and be nigh invisible to those damn speed cameras).
As a landrover owner for many years and an mot tester for a few, there is a demarkation between what the vehicle can do and what it should do in a certain world market. That is to be specific, the weights printed on the plate do not relate to what the vehicle can do, but what is agreed it should do within great britain. The weights the MOT test take into account relate to design weight which are wholly independant of world market, and the design weight is the design train weight, of the prime mover and trailer fully laden to max design weight. So any arguement baised upon the plated weight is not valid from the start. As the revenue weight is the same as the design weight. While it is possible to test a landrover as a class 4, I am not sure what the procedure is now, as havn't been a tester scince the new computer system became standard. However as a rule of thumb it comes down to the vehicle having side windows in the rear and seats, however a 110 with max seats fails to be a class 4 as it counts as a minibus, as for qualifying for the class 4 test you can test any vehicle as a class 4 so long as the owner declares it's intended purpose, however declaring it to a computer won't work lol so enquire with VOSA and see what they have to say.
On or around Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:37:31 -0000, "Richard Brookman" enlightened us thusly:
On mine, the number plate is on a plate on top of the bumper.
dunno if it's original but it's been there some time, judging from the rust.
On or around Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:38:47 -0000, "Larry" enlightened us thusly:
yeah, now I look,
but then again, they'll produce anything you want. They just class 'em as "show plates", not for road use, ociffer.
Pretty much what I was suggesting in another post.
Ultimatly it has more to do with the maximum laden weight that allows a reasonable hill start than what is going to cause a collapse of the undercarriage.
What I was figuring is that if you buy an old non dated plate and transfer the reg, given the appearance of an old landie, plod would never know the difference.
Mine is held on the radiator grille by a couple of bits of wire.
The Guidance notes on changing the V5C say " For changes to the revenue weight you will need to produce a: plating certificate; or design weight certificate."
from the top of page 10 in
The process for:-
"Determination of design weight where a vehicle has never been issued with either a plating certificate or a design weight certificate"
is "Where a vehicle to which this paragraph applies is submitted for a design weight examination, a vehicle examiner shall cause the vehicle to be examined for the purpose of determining whether- (a) the vehicle is of a make, model and type to which the standard lists apply; (b) the constructional particulars relating to that make, model and type are substantially complied with by the vehicle; and (c) the weights shown in the standard lists are applicable to the vehicle."
So there must be standard lists for vehicle design weights.
Looks like you get a design weight test through VOSA here's the form I think
From no. 12 of
" Design Weights: The Design Weights are not required for an unmodified, standard production passenger vehicle (see notes)
(The Design Weights should be obtained from the vehicle data plate, the vehicle handbook or the manufacturer or his agent)"
This all points to a Defender 90 having a (from page 181 of my vehicle handbook) 2400Kg
The 90 high load suspension model is listed as 2550Kg
110 unlevelled suspension model is listed as 3050Kg120 levelled suspension model is listed as 2950Kg
So has anybody managed to change the revenue weights in the V5C without a design weight certificate?
AOn or around Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:51:31 -0000, "Larry" enlightened us thusly:
you've gotta bring yours to one of the shows. It'll make a point to all the overpolished "line-up-all-the-bolt-heads" brigade.
never forgotten that. write up in one of the comics about someone who had rebuilt a landy - might've been a 101. he'd gone to the trouble of getting all the visible bolt-heads all aligned with eachother. FFS, I fort.
It looks like the following steps need to be taken.
1: Check your V5 to see if it gives a revenue weight. (Mine, issued in May when I moved, doesn't.) 2: Check the vehicle for an identity plate which gives a weight. (ex- MOD, in my case.) 3: If they don't match, check with Land Rover for what the design weight is, unless it's a plated goods vehicle.At this point, it could get complicated. It's arguable that if VOSA have made an arbitrary entry in their computer records that you have grounds for complaint to the Information Commissioner. The complete record includes your name and address, which brings the whole entry within the purview of the Data Protection Acts. This means that VOSA have a duty to maintain a correct record, and to correct any errors promptly.
You will be drawing VOSA's attention to an error, rather than changing the details of your vehicle. The people at the call centre won't have this in their script.
It helps if you have an earlier V5 which doesn't show a revenue weight. When the new-style documents were issued, you didn't have to send in the old one.
Whether it is worth getting stroppy with VOSA is another question. There's a lot of statute law which makes everything our fault. But you do have an MP. We Land Rover owners are all over the place, and if just half of the people caught by this issue were to write to their MP it would be a major political campaign.
It's something I always do when putting screws or bolts in. Don't even think about it much these days, though - prolly is a bit sad I guess...
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:10:55 +0000, A wrote (in article ):
Yes.
My V5C arrived back in this morning's post, with the revenue weight changed from 3499 KG to 2400 KG (the number given in the handbook for a 90 hard top).
All I did was cross out the old number and write in the new number, and send it off, just before Christmas. No fuss, or bother, really.
Nick.
Not sure if it applies these days, but certainly when the old purchase tax used to be levied on car sales it applied to cars, not vans, hence the popularity of the mini van as a cheap first car in the 1960s. You bought one and then after (I think it was) three years you could put windows in the back and not be expected to pay the extra tax. The evidence from my V5C is that DVLA differentiate car from van by not including weights for the "car" version. They presumably have a definitive list of all Land Rover versions. Would be interesting to know if anybody on group who has a V5C marked "CSW" or Station Wagon, also has a weight marked as well.
Regarding the tunnel - they seem to argue that if your vehicle looks like the little van symbol on the toll signs, then that is what you pay. Perhaps seats in the back helps the argument as well. I bet these big people carriers make them mad!
Nick
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