Remember the farmer who was killed when he tried to stop some gyppo stealing his Land Rover last year? Turns out the killer was released after serving only half of his sentence for burgling from farms.
Why doesn't 3=BD years in prison mean 3=BD years in prison? In reality, every sentence is half as long as the judge hands down, unless you are really naughty when you are in there, it seems. Ten years for murder, walk free in five. Can anyone with the appropriate knowledge explain why this is so?
It's probably for two reasons - to encourage the offender to re-habilitate and to make people behave in prison. In theory.
Being a cynic, I'd suggest that the legal profession can get more money out of the system by spending more time in court while sentancing is decided ;-)
Not sure of his actual ethnic roots, but I wasn't desperately surprised to see that the thief hails from New Parks - an estate in Leicester specialising in training jail scum.
Gyppo :- Take it if it's not yours and pay for nothing.. or Gypoo:- Cr*p in public areas but don't wipe thier arses... or Gypee:- The relief when they have buggerd off to another town...
Sorry William. I had no intention to offend or insult our genuine Romany friends, who I am sure are all fine upstanding people who live in brightly-coloured horse-drawn caravans and make a decent living out of fortune-telling and selling scraps of heather. However, I am very happy to insult and offend those (of any race or nationality) who travel the country leaving unspeakable messes for the "settled community" to clear up, disturb the communities that they leech on with theft, burglary and intimidation, pay no taxes or contribute to society in any way, but expect all the benefits society provides, like schooling, healthcare and street lighting, pick and choose the laws they obey (anti-discrimination - yes, planning and motoring law - no), and have armies of sandal-wearing lentil-munching do-gooders to represent their interests whenever they perceive any discrimination against them. Where I come from, they are called "gyppos", I suppose because of the wholly undeserved reputation of some Gypsies for being light-fingered, dishonest rogues. Otherwise "travellers", "pikeys" etc. I meant these gyppos, not Gypsies. I used the term inaccurately as a general-purpose insult, for which I apologise. In fact, it seems that the two offenders in this case were merely "chavs". Are we allowed to say that?
And it was bang on-topic because the guy died trying to stop someone stealing his Land Rover. As in alt.fan.landrover.
The Gypsy communities are not the problem. They get most of the blame and link by the Irish Tinkers or Travellers. As with the law or justice. The judge works with a tariff that is set by Law lords and by Government. The same people new labour.
Dave P No need to aplogise to anyone we all know what you meant and we all know that their is good and bad in all types of people.. Just before xmas our town centre car park was invaded by gyps,tinks,tiefs or whatever you want to call em in caravans,transits and settees(Sofas if your posh).Now if i wanted to park their it would cost me 50p an hour and their are packs of wardens waiting for your ticket to run out to give you a fine...The gyps had about 50 caravans,50 transit vans and 50 parking spaces of rubbish for about 5 days and did they get one ticket did they bollocks.When local council was questioned on this they replied "they were not issued with a ticket because they would not pay the fine". And as my council tax helped pay for clearing the rubbish,Crap, burnt outs and so on i have the right to call them what i want...
Now if I was a Gypo I could greenlane anywhere I wanted ,dump my rubbish on the lane, crap on the pathway for kids to tread in, burn out a few settees,pinch from the local shops and park my caravan on the lane for free and the local council wouldn't do a thing.
As a council tax , Car tax,insurance,mot,and petrol payer i would get fined to the hilt, licence removed,and community service cleaning up gypo crap..And be in all the papers as a 4x4 hooligan ruining the countryside..
Mmmmmm! I'm gonna have to get a caravan and a transit.
Anybody want their driveway tarmacking? Just sent the kids down to tesco to pinch the tea.(Dinner if your posh)
Our prisons are overcrowded, so spend millions to build new ones or just let everyone out early thus freeing space for others to go to prison. Letting people out early also means it costs less to keep them in prison cos they are not in as long. If everyone served their full term in prison we would need twice the number of prisons.
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OK, point taken. But if that's the case, why not be honest about the sentence? This guy got 42 months in jail for burglary. For doing nothing but serve his sentence quietly and with good behaviour (I assume), he was let out after 21 months. Why not say that he was sentenced to 21 months in the first place, with extra time if he misbehaves while in there?
Cynical answer - because if sentences apparently halved overnight (even though the actual time served would stay the same) people might think that the Bliar Govt was going soft on crime.
A barrister-acquaintance once told me that it's much easier to reduce a sentence than it is to extend it. There's bad behaviour in prison which is a crime, but you've have to take them to trial again. So the current system actually reduces the income for lawyers.
On this sort of thing, it's always worth thinking about whether you'd trust anyone to handle your case: if you were in prison, would you want your sentence to be extended without a trial?
As it is, the Judge will know what their sentences really mean, in terms of time. but they're limited by the legislation in what they can do. So when the judge says three years, you can hope for less time in prison, but you can be sure of the maximum.
I think there are problems, but the basic concept seems right.
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Ok, I've kept out of this thread so far, but I can't hold back any longer! Rant mode ON!
It should be a right of any decent law-abiding citizen to protect his family and property, period. If that means knee-capping some pikey (insert other name of your personal choice, but up here we refer to this sort of scum as pikeys) wanker when you catch him trying to steal your car/break into your home etc etc then so be it. If I am ever in that position, I wouldn't hesitate to defend myself, my family and my property by whatever means I feel is justified at the time, and argue the self-defense / minimum force laws afterwards. That farmer that shot that bloke a couple of years back (tony somebody, was it?) was quite bloody right, the little shit had no lawful right to be doing what he did and therefore had no right to protection by the law whilst commiting an unlawful act! The "person" that killed the farmer whilst nicking his landy was guilty of murder and should have served a sentence for murder, not a sentence more equivalent to theft! What we do indeed need Nige, are more prisons and a return to traditional imprisonment, i.e. a removal of ALL liberty. No tv, no radios, no libraries, machine shops, woodworking classes etc etc etc coupled with strict discipline rules and realistic sentences to match the crime commited. Now, that would act as a decent deterrent to crime, and nothing else ever will. Send all the bleeding hearts and do-gooders to Iraq or Afghanistan and let us get on with things in a manner that works for once! The persons referred to further back in this thread for taking over the car park and not getting a single fine should have been fined on the spot and locked up if they don't pay up, just because they happen to be "travelling people" should NOT exempt them from the laws of the land, the same goes for a vast majority of all the foreigners descending upon our shores in pursuit of an easy life. I personally know a few travelling families, they don't leave burnt out wrecks and sofas wherever they go, they live clean, legal lifestyles with good moral values, but they constantly get tarred with the same "gippo/pikey" brush because of how they choose to lead their lives. Let's face it, all they are doing is utilising loopholes in the taxation rules so as not to pay council tax (much the same as someone chosing to drive an old car so as not to pay road tax!), they are working as self-employed contractors and being taxed for it the same as most of us are, they simply choose to live a different lifestyle but are let down by what is probably a minority of their type. Mate of mine lost his house in a bad fire some months ago and he is regularly finding the garage door jemmied open and silly little things stolen, christ, the buggers have just nicked the cb aerial (18-odd foot monster of a thing!) off the back wall of the garage!! We've just spent 3 days emptying all the valuable/attractive items (restored car, tools etc) into secure storage. If we catch them, we'll send the leftovers in assorted jiffy bags to the local pigs who seem to be incapable of doing anything useful to help at all!
Rant mode OFF, I feel better now! Happy new year to all the decent, law abiding people out there ;-) Badger.
dont apologise, the thieving scumbags that purport to be 'gipsies' are nothing other than trampscum that rape & pillage other folks property without a f*ck of thought for the rightful owners etc. We all know what 'gippos' (i believe that's how it should be spelt) are & as far as i'm concerned they can all f*ck off to gippo hell.
I have nothing against the Romany Gipsies' as long as they dont nick your car & shit in your garden!!!!!!!
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