Re: Roadside Emission Checks

I have to agree.. I've got 4 Gas guzzlers on the drive...I've recently bought a Gunsons Gas tester £60 also for those interested...Now non of my fleet kick out anything more than 1.5 % CO... Natual air has 2 % CO. So much so that the MOT tester doing the retest on Morph when he failed horrilbly on excess emissons hence the purchase of the kit said "I'd richen that to about 3 %, asve you having to drop down gears so often." When I start pulling in excess of 10 tonnes I may just do that but for now it's fine.

Whats the problem , My sisters 1980's SIII has been tweaked from 10% CO YES

10 % to arround 3 % on the same kit.

It's easy really...you reap what you sow as they say. I'd like my Grand kids Grand kids to think I gave a moinkies even though I like my trucks.

Lee D

"Lee_D"

And whats more I may learn to type and spell whilst drunk too!!!!

I am told that for an inspection to be lawful, there must be some evidence to base the inspection on - if your vehicle is not visibly polluting they may not test it without your permission.

You WHAT??????

Aren't you the bloke who drives around in a 101 with massive tyres??? Why don't YOU use something more environment friendly like a bloody nissan micra with a sock - sorry catalyst up the exhaust???

A lot of this environment stuff is bollocks anyway - I suffer with an allergy that gives me something like asthma - I also do a lot of cycling - diesels really bugger me up as does being behind a car with a cat on a cold day - H2SO4 in the lungs - lovely stuff!!! Give me a nice V8 on 5 star LEADED anyday!!!!

I think you're confusing carbon monoxide, which irrevocably bonmds with the haemoglobin in blood, eventually killing you if you keep inhaling it, with carbon _dioxide_. Which you're exhaling right now.

On or around Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:37:27 +0100, "Lee_D"

enlightened us thusly:

2 points: 1) air isn't 2% CO, that's just the number that you set the gadget to. 2) it's all fine for us types who fiddle with the vehicles all the time, and thus could be expected to know whether it's off-tune, and it's legit in the case of something (e.g. crappily-maintained transits) which belch smoke.

But for the 90+% of the populace who don't have the first idea about what makes the car go, they have no idea what emissions are, or how to test 'em. They get an MOT and pass the emissions test. If the car's not an old heap, they probably don't do any more than take it to be serviced every 12000 miles like the book says. Now the service should include an emissions check, if it's being done properly... but the average bloke on the street has next-to-no chance of knowing that his CO emissions are out of spec (unless, of course, they're wildly out and the car isn't running properly), so it's not something (like e.g. failed lamps) which is practical for the average owner to check, and get remedied.

In the case of CAT-equipped cars, the cat could fail without being obvious, too, leaving it with illegal emissions.

The maximum reasonable course for bad emissions would be to issue a VDR[1] ticket, which gives you a chance to get it rectified, and only issue a fine if it isn't mended. But that doesn't provide a quick, no-hassle income, and requires people to actually do some work.

[1] Vehicle Defect Rectification, as I'm sure most of us know :-)

On or around Mon, 07 Jul 2003 23:21:20 GMT, "Exit" enlightened us thusly:

seems reasonable. see my post elsewhere in the thread, if it makes visible smoke, you could be expected to get it seen to.

snipped-for-privacy@hathisterm> I think you're confusing carbon monoxide, which irrevocably bonmds with

So is it the Carbon monoxide that kills you or the Cardon Dioxide that kills you if you sit in the garage with the engine running?

Or are they both being curned out by the engine?

Lee

Thats just reminded me how much I miss reading your posts Vince...but then I can't see them normally.

:-)

Lee

Too right, and dustcarts, lorries, delivery vans and a few other highly visible offenders, too.

I need to be in Derbyshire in a few weeks. Is there Anything I should know about?

Peter 'Concerned' R.

I think it is reversable by using a decompression chamber (like divers use) the pressure forces the co out obviously we all have one sat in the shed at home

Andy

Kent county council did this a few years ago (in the Canterbury at least) and I was pulled in by them, I flat out refused to let them stick they're probe up my exhaust, insisting that they should only be allowed to do the same check/test as required by the MOT testers manual, the vehicle I was driving was a 1964 series2, and the MOT requires only a "visual check for excessive smoke"......

The little man in the white coat was totally thrown by this and contacted his boss, ...........Who agreed with me..........

"Sometimes it pays to stick to your guns"

Have anyone ever stood at a station and seen the crap spewing out of diesel locomotives, when they start to move off? Do trains have MOT's? Perhaps the guys in white coats would be better off stuffing their probes in those exhaust pipes.

A truck driving friend of mine was pulled over by the police due to excess smoking. His reply was that "If you had 20 tons on your back and my boot up your a*@e you'd smoke a bit too". Apparently the officer concerned didn't have a sense of humour.

Look ask one on evidence and procedure will you...I'm not doing traffic for another week.....

Save all the guess work...go read the law on the matter.

I would cut and paste but as you'll see when you read section 67 of the Road traffic act 1988 it would take up far more bandwidth than the above short cute and to the point link

Cheers

Lee D

The link above appears to be the correct one...But I'm bet your glad you read the last one anyway :-)

Lee

On or around Tue, 08 Jul 2003 06:57:48 +0100 (BST), snipped-for-privacy@zhochaka.demon.co.uk ("David G. Bell") enlightened us thusly:

but in tuning the engine, you do indeed measure CO. the more CO, the richer the engine's running, roughly speaking, i.e. incomplete oxidation of the Carbon in the fuel. Most engines won't run nicely with zero CO though.

On or around Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:38:48 +0100, "Smurf" enlightened us thusly:

interestingly, I came across a little-known thing the other day that the vehicle should be MOT tested for emissions on the basis of the age of the

*engine*. If you can prove that your engine is not the same age as the vehicle, but older, it should get the earlier type of emissions test, if there's a difference.

which in the case of mine, is visible smoke, assuming of course that I can prove that the engine dates from before 1973. Not quite sure how you go about proving that, mind.

Rover V8 from a P5B, in this case. Engine number matches one of 3 P5B engine series, but how do you prove that to the MOT place?