Astra 1.6 with mayo in engine oil

Mum recently acquired a Y-Reg Vauxhall Astra 1.6 petrol estate.

It's got about 66,000 miles on the clock and runs and sounds quite normal. The bodywork and anything visible is in good condition but I have one major concern.

When I got back and saw her car after she bought it I did the usual son things and filled the screenwash, checked brake fluid, steering fluid, coolant and oil.

Everything apart from the engine oil is fine. The car was last serviced in August (looking at the service book it's stamped with the boxes ticked and the addition of 'New Drive Belt fitted' was a comment) but upon taking off the oil filler cap I was greeted with mayo. Loads of mayo. So much mayo that I could stick in several kitchen towels and there was still more left.

I checked the coolant reservoir to make sure that was clean and there is no oil in the coolant, it's all the correct colour, there are no 'tide marks' in it which would give any hint of coolant leaking into the engine in the past. I remember on an old Rover 214Si I used to own that oil in the coolant/coolant in the oil was a sign of the head going pfft but there are no signs of this happening on the Vauxhall if oil/coolant is a good indication?

I therefore put the alert level down from 'quite concerned' to 'midly concerned' considering that the car had been used only for quite short journeys for the last month before she bought it (namely driving from the garage to the side of the road in the morning and driving it from the side of the road to the garage in the evening so that the 'for sale' sign in the windows could be better displayed to the public. It was also that time of year which we all know and love called 'cold damp winter mornings'.

Anyway, after taking it on a number of long journeys the car has done

800 miles and the engine has been put through its paces so I was hoping today that when I filled up everything again that when I took the oil filler cap off that it would be less mayo and more oil, but no.

Still as much gloopy mayo as there was before, and I stuffed more kitchen towel down the hole (and retrieved it all, of course) covered in it. Coolant is still exactly the right colour.

I did have to top the oil up a bit even though I did it when she first picked up the car.

Anyway, question: If there is no oil in the coolant where do think the moisture is which has got into the engine oil, which doesn't appear to have disappeared after 800 miles?

I'm planning on throwing it at a garage and paying for her engine to be flushed and refilled with pretty new oil in the next few weeks, but if u.r.c.m can offer any pointers in advance on obvious warning signs of it about to go pfft then I will gladly receive them.

Thanks,

--Nick.

Reply to
BGN
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if the top cover breather system is blocked then you will have this fault. some models have had a modified breather box iirc. I have often found the breather system blocked, particularly the vacuum connection on the manifold. Of course if it has been used for lots of short journeys the problem will be worse and take longer to get right. An oil change and a good blast (with the breathers all clear) will probably fix it completely.

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Mrcheerful

I see what you mean, I just popped over and had a look but I can't get the airbox cover off properly, but managed to squeeze it open and the filter looks clean, well, the few inches of it that I saw. I'm not all that good with engines and it'll just end up broken if I start taking attachments apart so I'll throw it at a garage in a couple of weeks to flush the oil out, but new stuff in and a new filter and while they're at it they can check the breathers. Ta.

Reply to
BGN

I was not actually talking about the air filter, but the engine breather system which is rather different and harder to do than the air filter, so perhaps a pro. should look at it.

Reply to
Mrcheerful

Okay. Would an engine warning light come on if there was a breather problem? As there aren't any coming on.

Reply to
BGN

No. in general something electrical has to fail before the light will come on.

Reply to
Mrcheerful

Take it straight back to where she bought it as it's knackered! The mayonnaise is a mixture of oil and water. Removing it will do no good, it will get to the point of damaging the engine completely if it hasn't already. It could be the usual head gasket or a leak inside an oil cooler if it is fitted with one. Changing the oil will do no good, it will not fix the problem. The oil is for lubrication and a certain amount of cooling, but if it's mixing with water it will not do the engine any good. The repair bill will be a few hundred as it will probably need a new cambelt, water pump and new oil, new oil filter, new coolant etc. It depends on how much damage has been done. Obviously you can't trust what is written in the service book. If it's a main dealer get it back to them and complain. If it's a smaller garage then why didn't anyone go and check the car out first? I always check the oil level, fluid levels and colour of fluids and unscrew the oil filler cap to have a look. It's a very basic thing to do. Don't forget some coolants do change colour, so how do you know it is still the same as it was a few months ago?

Take it back, have it repaired and then fight over who is paying. If you don't the car will not last much longer. Short journeys are nothing to do with mechanical failure or gasket failures. That is some crap used by so-called experts that haven't any real experience of cars. I've never killed a battery or EGR valve from short journeys, or a DPF for that matter!

Reply to
Clive

no its not ! its caused by condensation, some renaults suffered the same problem but in the breather tube, they had a recall which resulted in the tube being wrapped in the similiar type of foam you wrap round exposed water pipes in the home.

I've never

lucky then aint yer !

Reply to
reg

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Utter tripe snipped.

Dear original poster,

Please ignore the garbage "Clive" posts, here and anywhere else.

I don't know specifically about the Astra engine in your Mum's car, but I know that Corsas of the same age suffer with engine condensation problems, even from new and with no faults.

If you get the things checked that the ever helpful Mr Cheerful has suggested, I'm sure your Mum will get many satisfactory miles from the car.

Chris

Reply to
Chris Whelan

Although be aware it /might/ have a knackered head gasket. Draining the oil & refilling it won't get all the mayo out if it is condensation, you still may need to blat it around with the foot to the floor afterwards. (On Vauxhaulls you can normally spot a headgasket failure with a compression test)

Reply to
Duncan Wood

Thanks for he advice, but seeing as you didn't actually bother to read my original post I don't think I'll bother.

Reply to
BGN

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