Cooling Airlocks and Water Loss

I have an old 1965 Jaguar 3.8s - for all intents and purposes the same engine as the Mk2 or old 70/80s XJ6.

It's developed a worrying appetite for coolant - it gets used irregularly, either the odd short trips around town or long 200/300 mile runs at a time.

After it's been left standing for a week or so I have to top it up (usually 2-3 litres of water) and the heater is constantly airlocking - I have to pull the return hose and rev the engine to clear the air.

However, there's no puddle of water underneath or in the car that I can see, neither is it burning anti-freeze (no smoke or steam), there's no water in the oil or oil/mayo in the water.

It returns good mpg (for a sixties Jag), idles, runs and pulls well but simply loses coolant - but I can't find where it's going.

Any ideas?

Reply to
sweller
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Head gasket.

Steve

Reply to
shazzbat

So where's it going and why no performance/efficiency loss?

Reply to
sweller

Simon, it could be going directly into a pot & burning off.

Easy way to check, take out the spark plugs, if one is washed clean, there's the culprit.

I dont know that engine, so i could be wrong, but it's easy to check.

:)

Reply to
Nige

Any damp inside the car? Heater hose/matrix possibly. Although at 2-3 litres a go, you probably have a mobile fish tank by now.

Reply to
Nick

If it's the cylinder head gasket you should be able to test for gasses in the coolant. Most garages have a tester that will do this.

If you want to get one for yourself:

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Slatts

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Sla#s

Just got back from the cinema [1] and pulled all six plugs - none of them are washed. In fact they're all a perfect tan colour.

It's a simple engine really - so pretty basic. Just everything on it is pretty big.

[1] Senna - highly recommended. Especially at a decent independent like the Duke of York in Brighton (no kids, no mobiles, no hot dogs, nachos or thick rude people)
Reply to
sweller

My Rover's K series engine has a gone gasket (proved by gas test in the coolant) but there's no loss of performance. Still starts and runs like a dream.

Reply to
cryptogram

I think that's going to have to be done.

My other approach is to use some "stop leak" type stuff and see if the loss of coolant stops.

Reply to
sweller

Was there any visible coolant or oil contamination?

Reply to
sweller

Well, thats sorted that bit then.

I once had a Range Rover 4.6 that is infamous for liners slipping inside the engine, usually writing off the car, i was getting major coolant loss & it looked like the usual suspect of cracked block/liners. The only thing was there were no other symptoms of it (top hose pressurised all the time running, or chug in the coolant)

Turned out to be one of the hoses to the RH bank of cylinders was holed, the water just jetted away from the engine & when you had it on idle it didnt do it.

The only clue was a bit of coolant staining on one of the chassis legs.

£12 sorted :)

On the top of the engine, it gets so hot that any dribble evaporates instantly & left virtually no stains.

I rather fancy that!

Reply to
Nige

Please don't do that on an XK engine. You stand a reasonable chance of doing permanent damage. If you're not already a member of the JEC, consider joining. They have an excellent support network including the loan of some of the specialist Jaguar tools. Also bear in mind that with the XK engine advice in the handbook to only add oil to the engine when the engine is cold should be followed, damage can occur if cold oil is added to a hot engine.

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Steve Firth
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Or any other engine, unless it's in something you are going to scrap soon.

Chris

Reply to
Chris Whelan

How?

I am a member - I'm not impressed, the forums have been down for the best part of the year, it worked out cheaper and more effective to buy the special tools I needed than use the tool loan scheme and the editorial has a definite "whiney" air.

That's bollocks. The factory manual or original handbook make no mention of that.

In fact it just tells you to wait one minute if the engine has been running to allow the oil to settle before checking and topping up if necessary.

It also recommends the engine oil is changed with a /hot/ engine and makes no reference to waiting for it to cool before refilling - the same as every other engine I've worked with.

Reply to
sweller

Why?

Reply to
sweller

It can clog things it's not supposed to, but the biggest issue on a vintage engine is it makes welded repairs to the head or block far more expensive.

Reply to
Duncan Wood

There really were people who used to put an egg in a rad' to try and cure a leak.

Reply to
James

Try running with some form of container connected to the overflow. A small head gasket leak can pressurize the cooling system beyond what it should be and force out coolant. Without effecting the running.

Reply to
Dave Plowman (News)

Rover - when they were independent and also in BL days, so concurrent with the XK engine, used to recommend Barrs Leaks.

Reply to
Dave Plowman (News)

I would also be interested for some conclusive evidence of this, sounds like pigshit to me.

Just get the oil all nice and hot on the cooker first...yeah right.

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Nige

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