Facet fuel pumps...

I have one of these on my P6 Rover V8 and its just disgraced itself by failing to work. Are these repairable or do I just have to buy a new one? It just stopped clicking...electrics are all fine to the pump. I see they come in 2 flavours...the solid state and the ones like mine...sort of brass tube thing. The solid states are a good bit cheaper. Would they be up to the job? Anyone know what pressure and flow rates I should be looking at on an SU carbed V8 if I need to get a new one?... Quick guess of 100mph at 15 to the gallon plus a bit gives about 7 gallons per hour. Even the mini rated ones do this much....

Jonners

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Jon Tilson
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I'd have thought so. The line pressure / volume doesn't need to be that much to feed carbs. Anecdotal evidence I know but on a TR7 V8 I had there was a cheapo taiwanese job punting fuel up to twin SUs on a 3.5 V8. I'm assuming the pump is fitted fairly low down, at the tank end of the car.

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DocDelete

Now there's a rarity.

Used to be, but I believe they're not any more. Can't get the parts, Guv'nor. Might be worth talking to Moquip, Demon Tweeks or someone, just in case.

Yes. Can't remember the figures, but I did check when I fitted one to a friend's Landie conversion.

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Andy Dingley

Yes, but a single SU petrol pump won't stand up to a v8 at full throttle. It'll cough and gasp when accellerating, particularly from a standstill. Fuel consumption goes a hell of a lot lower than 15mpg when accellerating. Or how about in low range? At full throttle in 4th Low you're looking at about 5mpg tops.

Alex

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Alex

A single SU electric pump will supply a Rover V8 at full throttle it just depends on the size of pump, SU pump reliability is a different matter.

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dilbert

Like Dave I had problems with the solid state Bendix//Facet jamming -- it is essential they are used with an inlet "sock filter" inside the tank. They are also dammed noisy, but should cope with the peak flow rate.

With the other type of Facet/Bendix pump make sure you get a low pressure one suitable for carbs not fuel injection.

Alternatively you could fit a suitable sized AC vane type electric pump, some Austin-Rover carb equiped models use these and they were very reliable and silent. Burlen could also supply a suitable Jag XK sized SU complete with solid state switching much more reliable than original points.

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dilbert

Yes - the Jaguar 4.2 engine was supplied by one pump, so they certainly can. I had an old Bentley which had a sort of twin pump with one chamber and I think a similar arrangement was used on later near 7 litre Rolls V-8s until EFI arrived.

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Dave Plowman

Some were. Had several. In the E-Type it was a single SU pump which was totally unreliable. Similarly the Daimler/Jag 250. Other Jaguars (from my experience) Mk X and Series 3 Sovereign and I assume others had pumps immersed in the fuel tanks, which really frightened me. I have a solid state fuel pump in my daily driver E - bugger originality - I need it to work.

Geoff MacK

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Geoff Mackenzie

The carburettor XJ6s had two pumps - one for each tank - switched to select either tank.

Whilst it's true SU pumps can be unreliable, they're also cheap and easy to fix, and give a reasonable life when setup and working correctly.

The actual tanks on an XJ6 where a different matter. ;-)

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Dave Plowman

Mine was an injected Series 3. Switchable in theory, but an unfortunate habit of filling one tank from the other producing a fountain of petrol from one of the filler caps.

Can you still get points for an SU pump? Not much else to go wrong, but still let me down more times than I wish to remember.

Geoff MacK

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Geoff Mackenzie

Caused by knacker valves in one of the pumps

Yes still available but most people get the kit that conversts them to solid state switching

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dilbert

Err no....there is only one pump on an injected series 3 and a switcable selector valve. The problem Geoff describes is caused by this valve failing to select...fuel is therefore pumped from the worng tank and returned to the other, which causes the overflow. Very embarassing as it often leaves you with any enmpty source tank, and an overflowing spare that you cant select. Can often be cured by switching to the full tank and whacking the valve at the back of the spare wheel well... Could also be caused be the return valves failing...and selecting form one tank and returning to the other.... The fuel tank system is not the series 3's best feature....

Jonners

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Jon Tilson

Ahh - the EFI didn't use SU type pumps, but IIRC a Bosch/Lucas high pressure type with an electrical divertor system for both flow and return to either tank. Not really surprising it gave trouble knowing Jag standards of the time. ;-)

I'm pretty certain they're still available from Burlen, but the electronic conversion which replaces them is said to be much more reliable.

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Dave Plowman

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