Opinion Wanted on a car for sale - turbo car

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I want an opinion on the above car. Owner says problem with turbo

Nissan Bluebird ZX Turbo 1809 cc.... oil seal has gone on the turbo but the engine itself runs like a watch!!! MOT is out but this car is WAY TOO GOOD to discard!

Questions from other buyers for this listing Q: Hi does the car drive??? Answered on 09-Apr-05 A: It does, but because the oil seal on the turbo has gone, it smokes because oil meant for the turbo is going through the manifold and into the carb. Hence, you SHOULDN'T drive it, even though is does drive. Q: Will it pass a MOT?Why dont you get it MOT'd (only around £30) then you will get a lot more for it and reassurance for buyers.It wont fail a MOT on the turbo. Answered on 09-Apr-05 A: It won't pass MOT with the turbo as is. As I said, the oil seal has gone, so it couldn't pass emissions because oil from turbo is going through manifold into carb. Thanks.

How knackered is this car? Will it just need a new oil seal, or a new turbo too? What about the oil going places it shouldnt, will this of caused more problems and expense in repairs? How much money to sort this car out?

Reply to
Jack
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In news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com, Jack decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows

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Um, they were s**te new.

I'm amazed it even has a carb. I always thought they were EFi...

New turbo, IIRC they use KKK turbos, which certainly ain't cheap.

*Avoid*
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Pete M

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Same engine was used, as far as I remember, in an Reliant sports car.

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Johannes

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IF it is just the oil seal on the turbo, then you will need to replace the turbo, which will set you back around £300-500, plus fitting. Can be a pig to fit, as the bolts on the manifold will be rusted solid, may snap off, you may end up having to replace the manifold. Then you have to get the manifold off the head, the bolts will be rusted solid, may snap off................

Also, once you get the turbo fixed, the engine may be smoking too, worn rings, valve stem seals etc, no real way to tell if these are ok, until you have replaced the turbo.

Then when you have got the engine right, there is no guarantee that the rest of the car will pass an MOT, it is 18 years old after all!

IMHO, scrapyard fodder.

Reply to
SimonJ

Given that any car with an MOT is worth *much* more the cost of the MOT, you can guarantee the price of the fix makes it uneconomic.

Reply to
Dave Plowman (News)

Johannes ( snipped-for-privacy@spamblocksizefitter.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

A version of the SS1/Sabre, yep - but IIRC that was billed as being the lump from the Silvia - whether that's the same as the one in that minicab, I don't know and care less.

Reply to
Adrian

It was the one from the S13 200SX, ISTR.

They're a mental little thing, I want one.

Reply to
SteveH

That's pretty much true. But the main thing to consider, is the rest off the car as sound as what the listing makes out? Provided the car is mechanically sound apart from the turbo, it could well be that the seller isn't capable off repairing the vehicle and has been scared off by garage quotes to repair it. Certainly you won't be able to tell the general condition off the engine due to the excess blue smoke, but from what has been said it runs well, which would suggest the engine is mechanically sound. If you really are serious about it, phone up a Turbo specialist and get a quote to get the turbo reconditioned.

Reply to
Moray Cuthill

What, the SS! Turbo? They use the 180SX Sylvia lump. S12, IIRC, not S13.

Richard

Reply to
RichardK

I thought it was the same lump? - unless I've got my S-numbers wrong.

S13 - shape before the current one (which, ISTR is designated S14a?)

Reply to
SteveH

S12 Sylvia is somewhat less powerfull than the S13 200SX, and at least the UK variant of the Sylvia was a 1.8 Turbo, I thought the S13 was a

2.0, but it looks like UK ones were still 1.8s at the time - the problem chasing the 1.8 and 2.0 Sylvia and 200SX is that both sizes of engine were used in different market. The Reliant SST used the 1.8 Sylvia lump, anyway.

Which, to get back to the point, is the same lump as the car in question.

Incidentally - the Sylvia S12 and ZX appear to be carbed, and I thought the 200SX was injection...

Richard

Reply to
RichardK

S*i*lvia

HTH.

Reply to
Pete M

I knew her mother, then the operator said 50c more............. ;-)

Graham

Reply to
Graham

UK 200SX RS13 had CA18DET with intercooler so 170bhp. How many will survive being tuned up to 330bhp+ and turning BMW M3's and German supercars into roadkill is a big unknown but they can be rebuilt for peanuts and the general attitude is fix it with some better bits. Prices being asked on Autotrader seem to be going up and cars are becoming rarer.

UK ZX turbo and Silvia turbo ((R)S12) had 8V SOHC turbo CA18ET - about

135bhp. As did the Scimitar SS1 - lots better than the Ford CVH turbo 1.6 version. The ZX Bluebird is fwd while the Silvia was rwd. About typical for a ZX Bluebird these days.
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Reply to
Peter Hill

[Dons anorak] AFAIK, pretty-much all S12s had 1.8 8V turbo engines.* They were called Silvia in the UK. S13s all had the same block but with a 16V head. They were called 200SX in the UK and 180SX in most other places. The Americans got a slower, normally aspirated 2.4 in their 240SX. S14s were all 2.0 turbo. *I did hear tell that they sold a handful of S12s with normally aspirated 2.0 engines though. [doffs anorak]

Cheers,

Colin.

Reply to
Colin Stamp

Annoying you, perchance?

I don't like 'em, so how to spell it has never actually crossed my mind and I got plenty of hits on that search term so it didn't occur to me it was wrong.

I always called 'em "Those ugly Nissan things"

Richard

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RichardK

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