Pay as you drive

This isn't about reducing road use or emissions, it is about taxation.

If the UK stopped all fossil fuel use, China's and India's growth would swamp any "savings".

The way ALL parties in UK are heading, we will become an underdeveloped country in a few decades. I wonder if we will still be supporting the developing world, not to mention the former eastern block countries, of it the aid will be heading this way.

You can't say that, someone will call you a racist.

Brian

Of course you can.

Working 7-3, or 10-6, and missing one rush hour is an option, or

6PM-2AM. (Assuming you can work 8 hours, I don't know)

This would however need _significant_ charging, to make those that want deliveries at 9AM be willing to employ someone to open up at 7/8, as it'd be cheaper.

So what happens when I put lead and a bit of foil round my GPS device?

Most hgv drivers i deal with already start at 5 in the morning , if they price them off the road between 6 and 10 in the morning it will totally screw up the haulage industry , it will also mean busineesess will have to operate longer hours if they need to accept deliveries , so costs go up , Many business in residential areas already have delivery times restricted , unless these are lifted it will in many cases make the business unviable , this plan has not been fully thought out

many people in offices and shops could not start work at 7 am in the morning as they have children to get ready for school

10 am to 6pm will still put you in the evening rush hour

Again a large majority of people could not work 6pm to 2 am as they have family commitments ,those time frames are also very antisocial near residential areas , imagine a buiding site running the swing shift no one would get any sleep

i personally cant wait to see all the law suites when you get stuck on the motorway in a tailback because of an accident ahead just as the charge rate hits peak time cost

Wouldn't insurance based on where somebody drove and in what way be a more accurate way of doing insurance?

I agree with many of your points, though is GPS really accurate enough to monitor fast braking?

Most building sites already deliberatlely start work before the rush hour.

No.

Also they cant do you for being 1mph over either because you dont have the ability to see the data to that accuracy unless they present you with a new speedo too.

Not everyone.

If tackling congestion is a priority, there are only several ways to do it. Reduce the number of journeys, by increasing charging, pushing public transport, proper integrated transport and delivery, encouraging car-sharing, ...

Improving traffic flow, by optimising speeds, or reducing traffic spacing - which may require technology to allow close following, or widening road, ...

Spread the existing traffic flow out in time.

If it were - say a thousand pounds cheaper to drive a year if you miss one rush-hour, then there would be a strong pressure on employers to allow it where possible.

Generally, yes. However, adding a 5 quid accellerometer chip into the thing, and another

5 quid solid state gyro into the system, and combining them gives exact braking figures.

GPS recievers typically output positions every second. However, internally, they compare the relative ranges of the satellites every 1/50th of a second or so, then apply really clever algorithms to attempt to reduce noise. For example, you may get 50 positions/second, at 10m inaccuracy, that's then filtered down internally.

Another fun problem. GPS signal specs are published. The equipment to generate them is not especially complex, and could probably be easily mass produced for around a hundred quid. This'd be a little box that you stick over the antenna, and feeds in a faked position/route.

many building sites now have the work hours limited to 8 am to 4,30 pm

one site we were on had a 9.30 start time 3.30 finish time

There is a seperate argument. At the moment, several percent of GNP goes on buying energy. If we diddn't buy fossil fuels, then the economy can decline by that amount without much effect, as it doesn't have to work so hard in the global market.

Would you be able to pursue that though a low cost route like small claims court?

Would current legal insurance cover the legal cost of claiming for delays? Though once the insurance has determined fault it's an open and shut case so there's not much risk of the claimant being stuck with the costs and insurance would payup quick to avoid court costs. Only be a problem if it went as knock for knock.

Does UK have class action?

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thats probably why the EU want to put up thier own system

All this would do is move the rush hour about , Many jobs unfortunatly can not be performed on flexi time

not in the same way as the usa does

Andy Cap (Andy snipped-for-privacy@nosuch.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

Make your mind up whether "the problem" is that we get too many migrants because we speak English or we provide information in other languages for those who don't speak English.

I think you mean "No" - re-read the question...

So you think that France/Spain/Italy ought to have refused entry to all those Brits who choose to retire there?

Fair enough, at least you're consistent.

Mmmm. I live 150 miles from "my own town", if you mean where I grew up.

Should I f*ck off back there to give the "natives" here less congestion?

How many generations back do people need to be "pure-bred Londoners" to live within commuting distance of London in order to get the kengestion charge repealed?

Andy Cap (Andy snipped-for-privacy@nosuch.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

Actually, yes, they did. We entered the EU in 1973, and had a referendum in

1975 on whether to stay in.

It was a "Yes" vote - 67.2% in favour with 64.5% turnout. Not quite an absolute majority, but close.