Redex :-(

Looks that way. Better than putting the plugs back in though, or you'd have had redex trying to get past the rings and into the sump :).

IMO it's very difficult to tell. When the engine is cleared out you'll notice a massive difference. A week of me giving my Mum's Polo a good thrashing transformed it from something that pinked like mad to something actually driveable. After she got the tracking sorted it even steered and stopped properly. All she needs now is a new clutch and to learn what gear to drive in :).

Logic dictates that if there's carbon on the end of the spark plug thread there'll be carbon on other bits of the combustion chamber, like the head and piston crowns. My understanding of it is that the carbon gets very hot and this is what causes the pinking - the petrol's set alight by the heat from the carbon instead of the spark plug. There are other causes of pinking like the timing being out, but that can pretty much be ruled out with your engine as it's not got a dizzy.

How old are you? You must be at least 18 as you've said you're at uni. If she's not serviced her car in 2 years and 4000 miles the oil will be a state. I didn't buy my car but I do get to do whatever I want to do with it maintenance wise. Which means the valve clearances actually get checked, the air filter gets change and oil changes are every 5k or so, whereas my Dad subscribes to the "It'll be fine" school of thought. I'm don't want to have a go at your family, but from what you've posted before they've managed to melt metro engines and destroy pistons with pinking, and if I were you I'd ignore what they've got to say regarding the oily bits of a car.

Lucky you :). Looks like my rocker cover is leaking oil again, so I need to check the breather pipes. I ought to rivet the spare wheel hanger back on too :).

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For heavens sake!! How many times do we need to tell you? The engine is coked up - hence carbon on plugs. Take it for a damn good thrashind and it'll be right as rain.

It soudns like you've taken the plugs off yourself. I hope you used a torque wrench to put them back on...

Modern plugs shouldn't be cleaned.

She's probably right in this case. Do what we keep telling you to do, take it for a long drive on the motorway, high revs, lots of quick acceleration and then drive properly after that.

Robert

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Robert R News

Probably best just leave it mate, it's not a wind-up but...

Eh??! Don't tell him that - he'll use it like a breaker bar and //really// tighten them in.

-- Ken Davidson DocDelete

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She is probably right, by the sound of it (from reading this thread).

What's the saying, hmm, oh that's right - "A little knowledge is a lot of dangerous knowledge"....

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Actually on second thoughtd perhaps it would save us all a lot of trouble and head-bashing if he did dismantle the engine. At least it would stop the 'pinking' - permamently!

Reminds me of one of my mates at uni who had an old Volvo. Rang me up: Him: My car won't start Me: Is there petrol in the tank Him: Yeah I think so [...discussion...] Me: Try bump starting it

Several hours pass. Another phone call.

Him: I've dismantled the carburettor and... Me: :-O You did what?! Him: Anyway, I can't work out how it goes back together, would you mind coming round and having a go...

Rob

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Robert R News

No :-o. The instructions just say finger tight and then 1/2 to 3/4 of a turn extra. I couldn't do that so I just did it as tight as I could do 'em :-(

Is it bad to clean them? Should I replace them then?

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Peter

Looks like your mum was right when she said you'd do more harm than good fiddling under the bonnet!

No. Take the car for a really hard run several times, then drive properly.

I doubt you'll even get the plugs out now you've done 'em up so tight. In fact don't even try as you'll probably just end up breaking one or more, leaving the threaded part jamemd in the cylinder head. Then you're really up a certain creek without a paddle.

The advice above still stands. In addition, I suggest you don't mess around with your (or your mums?) car as before long you're going to do some serious damage, if you haven't already. Now. Please don't come back whinging about the engine being coked up and running crap until you've taken the advice that several people have repeatedly given you. If you're still convinced it's not right, take it to a garage as it's clear you don't have the proper tools or knowledge to fix it yourself.

Just my advice.

Cheers,

Robert

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You're being silly. I own a torque wrench, but only for cylinder heads and occasional suspension components I'm not sure about. I'd use it on a spark plug like I'd use it on a road wheel... And I'd use it on a road wheel like I'd use a silk hanky to clean my bottom.

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Dan Buchan

lol. Depends on the plugs. If they're taper ones, unless you know what you're doing (and it doesn't look like the OP does) you can make real problems for yourself, as I'm sure you're well aware. Certainly, flogging them up as tight as you can is the worst thing you can do.

Robert

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I get the feeling that Peter may not own a socket set to do the plugs up another quarter turn with, so he did them up as tight as he could with his fingers.

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Doki

That is to crush the crush washer on new plugs so that you get a good seal. The crush washer should be replaced if you remove the plugs and want to refit them, but nobody or very people do this.

-- James

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I must admit to using my torque wrench for wheel nuts as it's the only long bar I've got!

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Scott M

I didn't do it up that tight :-) They'll come out. I could've done them a bit tighter. I think they were just as tight if not tighter when I got the car.

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Peter

That's what I thought initially - but if that's the case, how did he get them out...

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Robert R News

lol. I have got a socket set, my dads actually. I just use the tools that my dad gives me. Over the weekend I'll get my dad to check how tight they are though.

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Peter

I know why my dad didn't give me a torque wrench, I just reallised. It would never work because my bonnet is so small. There's no room in the bonnet so I had a long thing with like a u shaped bend in it.

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Peter

It's called a speed brace and won't give you enough leverage to get your plugs tight enough.

-- James

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What about the thing that came with the car? I wouldn't use my torque wrench because it might get damaged, although it's been knocking around ther bottom of my tool box so long it's probably well out of calibration now.

Those telescopic wheel wrenches with reversible sockets are quite good and only cost a few quid, compared to £15 for an equivalent breaker bar.

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Dan Buchan

My torque wrench was fairly cheap and doesn't get a vast amount of use so I don't worry about doing a few wheel nuts up to 1/2 (2/3?) of its max setting. The one that comes with the car is designed for an annoyed motorist to jump up and down on so made nice & short to keep the torque down. I go with Newton(?) and the longer pole theory. :-)

I've always wondered how strong the telescopic doofers are because of the joint(s).

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Scott M

Aaargghhh! Peter, it's just one step on the road. It will *help* not cure! Either take the advice presented by more experienced people (change your driving style) or put up with the pinking.

If you're not prepared to get a professional to investigate other reasons for the problem (failed sensors, dodgy electronics or whatever) then there's nothing else you can do, or we can advice you. If you reply that you haven't got the money, then that's a shame - you're a car owner: spending money on the bloody thing comes with the territory. Saying that you're a student does not let you off the hook from spending money - I know, I used to try that line myself ;-)

It's a car: a million things to go wrong, and just saying "it doesn't work properly" won't help anyone to help you. Take it to a garage recommended by a friend, take your Dad with you, and be prepared to spend a few quid. Or just put up with it, and sodding well Drive The Car!!

-- Ken Davidson DocDelete

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