Mazda 929 Broken Timing Belt

It depends... Cars with dished top pistons (or even flat top pistons with divots where the valves would normally impact) can survive a broken timing belt just fine... I had this with my old FORD ESCORT WAGON (1991). My timing belt broke in the middle of nowhere at 100 KM/HR. I didn't even no what it was originally, and tried to start the engine, etc. at first.

Anyway, got a new timing belt installed at the next town, and continued on my trip without incident. Not all cars are this lucky however. Still, it may be that the top of the pistons on your engine have the "divots" that protect them from a valve that is down at the wrong time -- almost entirely due to a timing belt failure.

Just check with an experienced MAZDA mechanic to see if the engine design is such that it is protected from a valve that is hanging down after a belt breakage. You might also be able to track down the info. on the web. Look even at an auto-parts web store for the pistons that go with your car's engine. The appearance of the tops of the pistons might tell you a lot right there.

Hope that helps!

Go to this site to see if the engine is interference. Bottom right of the page.

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Not good... says Interference Engine... Yuck! I'd plan for engine damage.

I got concerned so checked my own '99 Mazda 626 LX-V6 and it doesn't say intereference for that year and model.

Also, I checked my old '91 Ford Escort Wagon with the 1.9L 4CYL and sure enough, it also was okay.

Thanks for the advice. So yes this is an 'interference' engine. Yuck. Amazing how such expensive cars now have these rubber timing belts ..... shame how so many cars end up in the salvage yard because of them. Guess my next step will be to pull the heads.

Or install the belt and with all the guards off, check if you get compression in all the holes. You have to open up the timing belt area anyway and you could get lucky. The few extra minutes to do the belt first may be a cost saver.

Pete

Guess we were very very lucky. With new belt installed, compression readings range from 125 to 150 PSI so I am assuming that is normal for an engine with 130K miles. But belt does appear a little loose/slack however, so will be looking for a new tensioner before closing it up. Thanks for the advice guys. Bob

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[42]Tacitus, Annals, iii. 25. "Once we suffered from our vices; today we suffer from our laws."

43Saint Augustine, City of God, iv. 27. "As he has ignored the truth which frees, it is right he is mistaken."

[44]Cicero, De officiis, iii, 17. "Concerning true law."

45Eccles. 3:19. "for all is vanity."

46Rom. 8:20-21. "It shall be delivered." [47]Horace, Odes, III. xxix. 13. "Changes nearly always please the great."

48Seneca, Epistles, xx. 8. "In order that you are satisfied with yourself and the good that is born from you."

[49]Montaigne, Essays, ii. 12.

50Cicero, De Divinatione, ii. 58. "There is nothing so absurd that it has not been said by some philosopher."

51Cicero, Disputationes Tusculanae, ii. 2. "Devoted to certain fixed opinions, they are forced to defend what they hardly approve."

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53Cicero, De officiis, i. 31. "What suits each one best is what is to him the most natural."

54Virgil, The Georgics, ii. "Nature gave them first these limits."

55Seneca, Epistles, cvi. "Wisdom does not demand much teaching."

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Hi this is my first post! Had the same problem with my 1988 929 with a belt that had only done

40,000km (2nd timing belt) Reason: Top idler pulley seized causing the belt to self destruct due to heat build up! When I stripped the engine to examine cause discovered ALL 3 idlers including tensioner wheel to have either marginal or shot bearings. 140K total mileage which isn't much!

SO BEWARE it looks like these bearings do not age gracefully and lose the factory packed lubrication over the years and finally fail. I'm not sure if my engine has survived but everything turns over OK - no metallic clunks so I believe this may not be an interference engine as suggested and hope to have the car back on the road within the week.

Mazda here in Melbourne Australia want $200 each for each new idler wheel so I am currently trying to track down alternatives. The internal bearings are easy to replace and mine are NSK 6203DWAX. Any advice on economically replacing all 3 idler piulleys would be appreciated

929 with a belt that had only done 40,000km (2nd timing belt) Reason: Top idler pulley seized causing the belt to self destruct due to heat build up! When I stripped the engine to examine cause discovered ALL 3 idlers including tensioner wheel to have either marginal or shot bearings. 140K total mileage which isn't much! > > SO BEWARE it looks like these bearings do not age gracefully and lose the factory packed lubrication over the years and finally fail. I'm not sure if my engine has survived but everything turns over OK - no metallic clunks so I believe this may not be an interference engine as suggested and hope to have the car back on the road within the week. > > Mazda here in Melbourne Australia want $200 each for each new idler wheel so I am currently trying to track down alternatives. The internal bearings are easy to replace and mine are NSK 6203DWAX. Any advice on economically replacing all 3 idler piulleys would be appreciated

Update: I do not believe this is an interference engine as suggested by others. I am referring to the 1989 model SOHC JE engine. There is no interference evident when turning cams to align with the crankshaft - as required to install new timing belt. Be very caredul to line up marks it's easy to get this wrong due to parallex error. Suggest using a white marker to align cam sprockets!

The car is now running like a clock!!

Brian