All change

It's never long before someone lowers the tone.... :-)

Next time swallow.

Sweet dude that's a lot of results at one time :-)

The running in thing, when I got the 206 the guy said it didn't need running in, but it did have a free 500 miles service which was just an oil change. If you're definately getting rid after three years, it won't affect you how it's run in, just depends how kind you're feeling to the driver who gets it in 10 years with 150k miles on it heh. There is that many different ways of running it in, and that many opinions as to what's the best way that however you drive it, you'll be using someones method. Some say, get it good and warm, then just thrash the s*it out of it, others stay stay under 3krpm for

If you plan on keeping it forever, maybe run it in a bit, but to be fair, loads of 3 year old cars on the market are ex-fleet or ex-rental. Probably less than like, 4 of them were run in at all. The rest probably many times been driven hard from cold, and turbo's have never been allowed to cool before parking up, or allowed to get warm before going to full boost. So really, with modern materials and oils etc - it doesn't really seem to matter. Ok, maybe now instead of getting to 300k, the engine might only be good for 250k - but the car, especially one as low priced when new as the C1 is gonna end up scrapped before that because, like many cars right now, is worth very little at 250k and 15 years old, so a service and some new tyres probably cost more than it's worth. It's a shame but loads of surprisingly good cars, with plenty of life left in them are scrapped because they're worth so little, that a few small faults can often cost more than the car's worth.

Yea my 197 felt much better for 13k miles, than the 1.5k demo I tried (well I tried a few actually, all very low miler. Mine felt smoother, definately better than the demos, especially when cold, and it also seemed to rev more freely (it was totally standard) as well which made it feel a little quicker. It must have been pretty noticeable as when I was test driving it before I bought it, I gave it some of a roundabout and remember thinking it felt perkier than the previous demo. This was with me, mum [1]and a salesman in the car and the other cars I tried were just me an the salesman in, aside for another one where mum came along. Those were my un-scientific tests, and all in un-controlled conditons.

Obviously, I didn't put it on the rollers once a month, or make logs of economy, or have the oil analysed all because like, woah. I unfortunately also didn't get every fluid in the car analysed by Shell's lab either, and I'm afraid I don't have an airplane. I do have a hot air balloon though, but unfortunately it doesn't have an engine. It just needs to be full of hot air....[2]

I guess you need to get a litre drum, and fill it with chips - see how many portions it needs @ £1 a piece then you'll know how much a litre of them is worth. I guess there would have to be an agreed number of how many chips there are in a portion - perhaps the average of 100 portions of chips from

The fact that it was free and we had the rollers running for a friend. There is a rolling road (Bosch) in our workshop, courtesy of a former life earning our bread tuning cars for track and race.

Altough we're not into that market anymore, there are still things, incentensifs en yep: work where we get contratcted for. It's now more like a hobby.

Both: oil is changed on new vehicles after 1000 km, then 5000km , then

On the personal cars the interval is 5000 km or 1 year whatever comes first.

The particular car was bought as an investment, spent 23 years in an aerconditioned garage and was never driven (740 km on the clock).It still had *all* original fluids. It seems that bankers don't always make the smartest investments nor protect them adequatly, then and now.

Our customer still bought it for 350.000 EUr. The car went straight back to the factory and reconditionning was billed over 140.000 EUr. It lives now in the south of France and gets driven around 2000 km a year.

Easy answer : our "cheap" cars are invoiced per trip (5-20 km citydriving) 62 Eur + VAT (that's when only one service technician is aboard); they all perform 3-5 jobs a day. There are little vans (Berlingo and VW Caddy), there are also Subaru Legacy's (one of which is the 3.0R) and a single BMW 320d break.

As to my personal cars: they might be cheap in your eyes but the five of them have a total horsepower over 2000 HP. In fact so cheap that their combined actual value is around twice the price of your house... if you own a house that is (I do and mine are paid for)

If you buy oil at 12 UKP per litre, then you are royally screwed over. But you being you, that seems hardly surprising, is it? I won't have to repeat my offer delivering 60l drums of any kind/make of oil wanted at the price of 10 UKP/l?

Even Porsche Brussels doesn't dare to invoice to invoice more than 10.5 Eur per liter and the last thing I suspect them of is using poor quality products.

And last I saw UKP was not quite at parity with the Eur, however if UK decisions are made by people claiming to pay 12 UKP/l Sterling will continu to drop.

Tom De Moor

Time rather than distance oil changes on low mileage cars is part of the service proceeder with most.

As I said, poorly serviced. All the service instructions I've seen make provision for this sort of thing by specifying time rather than distance changes. Especially with coolant and brake fluid which deteriorate

What you've done so far is give details of poor servicing - not any evidence that 'bettering' the maker's spec has any benefit. And I'm *not* saying to ignore maker's specs. Quite the reverse. They do tend to know as much about their product as anyone...

Almost 2 million quid? What on earth are they? And yes, my house is paid for. But that valuation was last year...

I was meaning that if you can buy the oil and filter in the UK for 15-20 quid they must use very cheap oil or have very small sumps. Even my old car which takes a basic oil costs over 30 quid for good oil and filter. My 'new' car about twice that - due to using a high spec oil.

Why would I want a 60 litre drum of oil?

I'm in the UK. I'll bet Porsche UK charge rather more...

Claiming? Would you like to see some receipts?

Now back to the point. Please provide unrefutable evidence that changing oil early provides real benefits in engine life, etc. To do so would mean controlled tests involving new identical vehicles and oils over a vast mileage. And very very few people buy new cars and run them for this sort of time. High mileage business users tend to change their vehicles long before any 'advantage' would be seen. After all, why would they want to keep a vehicle for more than 3 years or so?

Glad to be of service.

Indeed.

You'll loose and you don't own I Porsche. I do, more than one actually.

No, you've shown more than enough.

As to the UKP: apparently the UK is begging now to enter the Euro. The times when Pound Sterling was a world-currency seem to be over. You might consider why that is the case.

Do you own a company with high mileage users? No, you don't. I do however. Extreme high milage is 50.000 km / year (30.000 miles/year). Most professional users are in the 30-40 kkm-bracket per year.

Secondly -and this is Belgian law, I don't know UK law concerning- : here a new car can be fiscally deducted in 5 years.

As to the 3-year-lease-formulae, aimed at the proverbial traveling sales-man, we've done the math. There is a major financial gain in having a car 5 years rather than 3 years. Actual car quality allows a car easily to go 180-250.000 km in a 5 years period.

This is confirmed -since thinckering electric odo-meters is out of range for the backdoor garage-mechanics- by the mileage of second hand cars / ex-lease-cars.

Finally: if a company has persons in its service who need to travel

It implies that that more than a quarter of the worktime of that person is spent behind a steering wheel. If the person does that kind of mileage outside working hours (to commute) it shows a dismal valuation of his own time.

The above of course for non-transport/courrier companies: what kind of mileage they perform as well when they replace a vehicle, is known but not one courrier service replaces its vans on a three year basis.

Tom De Moor

Again... in English rather than Engrish this time, please.

As above.

No-one gives a toss whether you own multiple Porsches, or indeed any Porsches.

Gobshite.

Wooo! All bow down at the feet of the arrogant Belgian c*ck.

What utter bollocks.

Tom,, we don't care for your c*ck waving around here.

Mostly because it could, and quite possibly is, some kind of made up fantasy.

For sure.

Good luck selling your bike. No bike sold = no X-mas?

TDM

Did I say I did?

Bully for you. Is boasting about your cars and wealth your only speciality? Apart from putting your head up your arse, obviously.

Now answer the question. How much does a UK Porsche main dealer charge for the latest spec oil when used as part of a service? I can't somehow see it fitting into your 15-20 quid for an oil change bracket...

Is it? You must have privileged information. Or believe your brand of tabloid, more like.

Have you got a chip on both shoulders?

Are you asking a question?

Thought not.

Ah. That's what it was leading up to.

I don't care what you claim to own. Most who insist on telling the world how rich they are are liars anyway.

Right. So you're saying the benefit of extra oil changes will be felt in say 150,000 miles?

I'm saying buy some decent cars. On those it won't.

I cannot put into words the contempt I feel for that post.

Just f*ck off back to your native tongue groups, will you?

Or have they all told you to f*ck off, too?

Don't get wound up about it - I haven't, given he's obviously not got a clue, and is just showing more and more of his ignorance with every post.

In fact I reckon he should carry on, just to be sure, like. ;-)

Indeed. I bought my Spriner (314, 2.3 petrol/LPG) with 149k on the clock, with full service history (printout from leasing company), which the dealer couldn't find at the time I bought it. I made sure they marked on the receipt that it was to follow, and it duly arrived in the post. It had had

Coming from a Belgian, the nation that has only ever exported beer and chocolate, that's rather amusing.