OK: Ssanyong? Any good? Not exciting, fast, luxurious, just good?

Seem to be reasonabley priced used. Seem to use Mercedes Diesel engines. The Musso looks like a Bighorn/Landcruiser style while the Korando looks more like an M Class. Not really sure about the Rexton, looks like it is trying to woo the X3/X5/Freelander mob, while the rodius just looks like a mistake.

What are like to drive? They look roomey, are cheap to buy, have Solid diesel engines and look to be well looked after for the money, and they aren't the same as every other urban 4x4.

So what does the panel think? A lot of 4x4 for the cash because they aren't fashionable?

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Elder
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"Things just go from bad to worse..."

Stick with the Octavia if this is the sort of thing you're starting to hanker after.

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jackhackettuk

Have a look inside one.

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Bob Sherunckle

Not hanker after thinking practical. The Octavia seats aren't that comfy. I need comfy. If I'm going to=20 wallow like a jelly on skates anyway, I might as well get something that=20 at least feels comfy when it is soft.

And for what I reckon I could shift the Octavia on for, I can get a less=20 miles Korando, or similar miles Musso. And if I can do that get similar=20 MPG, get comfort when I wobble instead discomfort despite the wobbles=20 why not.

Just because they aren't a Disco/X5/M Class and therefore unlikely to be=20 seen in Chelsea doesn't make them a crap second hand buy. When a 15grand=20 car with full history is =A31500, then is the time to buy.

They are cheaper than Landcruisers and Bighorns and Shogun/Pajeros. But is that because they are crap, or because they aren't fashionable?

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Elder

It's because they're utter s**te.

Reply to
SteveH

No, no... it's because they're a largely undiscovered gem.

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jackhackettuk

Will I get a soft touch dash and damped grab handles? Or will it be like

90% of cars in it's price/age/class range and be largley plastic and vinyl.

I drive and Octavia. It is largely plastic and occasionally vinyl. And Plasticy vinyl at that. I have pov spec cloth. I don't got no/none at all/nada cup holders. And I only got the basic of a front speaker only sound system. A well specced Felicia would be an interior upgrade.

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Elder

I just want to know what makes a licensed Mercedes (which they are) so bad a car for the used price money?

I wouldn't buy a new one. And I wouldn't expect to get much back for it. But why is it so bad.

Don't just tell me it is s**te, tell me your ownership and driving experience which tells *you* it is s**te for what you wanted, but why it might be perfect for me, or be better than the Octavia for me. What sort of miles did you put in before you decided it was s**te, what did you pay for it, and how much did you lose, and what failed catastrophically to make you hate it so much.

The Octavia doesn't feel comfy never really did, but was only doing short journeys in. After doing the 100 miles round trips to Oswestry, the near 350 mile round trip to Blyton, and a couple of 60 mile round trips to my brothers since the summer, I don't find it as comfy. I fidget in the seats. I get get in a position I like. While trying to haul myself arround in the seat the car is wobbling all over the road as I shift myself arround. It wasn't as nice as when i was just nipping into Manchester daily.

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Elder

The same reason a Vauxhall Cavalier was an acceptable car in the 1980s but was a steaming heap of s**te as a Daewoo in the 1990s.

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SteveH

So your ownership experience is what exactley?

Reply to
Elder

If you want one, then go ahead and buy one - you can do what the rest of us do then, and tell us all how wonderful it is, how you're glad you bought it... and then stick it up for sale in a couple of months time having realised it really is an uneconomical pile of s**te totally unsuitable for any distance commuting you may, going by what you've said in other threads in recent months, end up doing on a daily basis.

FWIW, I wouldn't buy any Merc produced after the W124, so I doubt these are much to write home either... which is probably why they didn't sell that well new, and are worth f*ck all today.

Whatever... please buy something, *ANYTHING*, soon.

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jackhackettuk

You know, sometimes you don't actually have to own one to know it's going to be a steaming heap of crap.

How many do you see on the roads? - not many - a quick read of a few reviews will give you a pointer or two.

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SteveH

Ok, so get something that's better than what you have.

A Samsung (sic) or Daewoo Korando is not a step upwards. Your Skoda is lightyears ahead in terms of actual and perceived build quality.

The 4x4 thing you're talking about is behind most things built in the last

10 years in respect of all of that stuff which makes us feel nice. Seriously, considering such a POS is the action of a Man who's feeling a bit low and is thinking "well it's all I can stretch to just now".

Feck that. Your Skoda is a good car - and if you can't afford to replace it with something you actually want then it's maybe the wrong time to replace it.

One last word. Try this test. Think of the motoring journalist you respect most in the world and then ask "would he approve".

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Bob Sherunckle

I see a few as both Ssangyong and Daewoo. All the reviews have been fairly reasonable. Biggest issue appears to be getting parts from Merc instead of Daewoo, but GSF and Eurocarparts will have the equivalent merc part.

My brother did have a Musso but flogged it because he needed the open load bed of the Animal as he is a builder. He liked it but couldn't fit a decent sized genny and tools in with materials. he likes now that the kiddie seat can stay in the crew cab, without it getting full of shit from the cement and plaster bags. I don't want a Musso, they look a little too big and think I prefer the slightly smaller more aggressive looks of the Korando

My brothers biggest niggle was that he faced depreciation as he always buys new or near new. I don't. I thought someone owned one on here before and hoped I might get some opinions of actual ownership.

I'm not expecting something with Walnut Veneer and swivel leather armchairs like a RR vogue or an X5 or an AMG/Brabus M class.

Just something solid, hardwaring, comfy. I'm getting old. I'm planning my 40th already. I guess as I can't afford performance and luxury, I might as well have comfort cheap. One day I might be able to afford luxury performance so I'll get a bentley then.

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Elder

I'm sure there was someone on here who owned one for a while. I know they didn't keep it on, but would like to know why.

My brother had a Musso, but traded it for an Animal, as his missus was sick of getting cement and plaster dust in the child seats. He has the crew cab now so he can get a small pallet in as well as all the family, or a team of sweaty labourers.

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Elder

OK - from What Car?

2/5 stars. Reliability: 2 /5 spanners.

For: A lot of car for the money, OK off-road. Against: Tacky trim, poor ride quality and tricky to find spares. Verdict: You can buy something much better for the same money

Trade verdict from a buyer at Fords of Winsford: "A David Brown tractor is a better option - you can get parts for the David Brown"

Service intervals are short at 6k miles and on a good day you might just see 30mpg from it.

But they're obviously a used car bargain, so I think you should buy one.

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SteveH

I do recall Q testing a Musso and approving. I don't recall Clarkson testing anything Korean and diesel with more than 3 cylinders.

But it isn't the Musso I fancy it is the slightly smaller Korando, with the 2.9 later TD engine. British design with Mercedes parts assembled in a plant owned by GM with a Korean badge but maybe assembled anywhere in the world. interior looks on par with the Skoda

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Looks a little bit of a M class crossed with a Pajero

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$file/ssangyong-korando-2.jpg Not the prettiest but 4x4's are supposed to look angular and aggressive.

And they seem fairly capable.

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Elder

Fair enough. But in comparison to my Skoda. I have a combined Vx/Daewoo(SSangyong are now Daewoo (sorry Chevrolet))/Chevrolet/Saab (yes they list in that order) dealership and parts centre within ten minutes walk.

Nearest Skoda is sales and repairs only no parts counter and is 12 miles away after the local franchise group went bust when AMG and TVR pulled out. Nearest parts counter is 16 miles away in Liverpool, or 16 miles away in Manchester.

So, tricky finding spares might equally apply to anyone in the warrington area if you want to use the dealer.

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Elder

Probably a good thing given how often you'd need to visit them.

Not a big issue given that most stuff is easily available via mail order via GSF or Euro, plus the fact that the Skoda isn't likely to need anywhere near as many bits.

Reply to
SteveH

Oh come off it - they're a mainstream car with VW mechanicals (which have been sold in their millions in this country, in one form of another), so that's a piss poor excuse, not least given how relatively rare the Ssangmong is.

Every motor factor and his wife supplies parts for Octavias, and they're all over the country - look here for an example of somewhere exactly like that, that specialise in Skoda spares:

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They do mail order too.

I've never had to source anything more than an funny shaped o-ring and a genuine exchange MAF(1) from my local VW main dealers in the last four or so years since I've been running VAG TDIs.

(1) And even then I could have found a Bosch specialists or placed my faith in a pattern unit.

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jackhackettuk

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