Insurance Companies Go After Tuner Crowd

This is scary, folks!

------- By ANDREW LUU

Canadian Ron Shortt is a far cry from the fast and furious type: The

47-year-old Toronto man drives a 2002 Pontiac Sunfire back and forth to his job as a computer information technology specialist, and his driving record is snow-white clean?no accidents, no tickets.

None of that mattered when Shortt decided to dress up his Sunfire with off-the-shelf, bolt-on interior parts, special wheels, a trick exhaust and lowered springs. In response, his insurer of 15 years, State Farm, canceled his policy, citing the lowered springs as a big no-no.

As with muscle cars of yore, which faded away as much because of jacked-up insurance rates as the triple whammy of high gas prices, government emissions rules and safety regulations, insurance companies are embarking on a collision course with the booming population of drivers who insist on tuning their sport compact rides.

"The insurance industry may be able to accomplish what the police could never do," says Shortt, "by making all these cars illegal to be on the streets because they can't get coverage." Shortt eventually wound up back with State Farm, but not before he reinstalled the factory springs and had the work verified by an insurance company adjuster.

Steve Budzinski of Ottawa also was dropped by State Farm because of performance upgrades to his Acura Integra Type-R. "My underwriter flat out told me it no longer wants to insure modified cars," said Budzinski.

State Farm Canada spokes-man Derek Fee says the insurer has no blanket policy to refuse coverage to the sport compact segment, but he acknowledges some sport compact owners?particularly those involved in street racing?are a growing concern. "That subculture is causing difficulties for the rest," Fee says.

In the United States, major insurers like AAA and State Farm say sport compacts aren't a problem?at least not yet. State Farm spokeswoman Ana Compain-Romero says the company has no issues with minor upgrades such as lowered springs and tuned exhaust systems, but she recommends informing your agent about any modifications, especially when you go from minor to major. Changes discovered after the fact (say, after an accident when an owner is trying to collect against the policy) may void the coverage.

"Changes are subject to an agent taking a look and an underwriter deciding if we can extend coverage," Compain-Romero says.

That kind of talk has some people worried Canada's sport compact insurance woes could be a precursor of similar trouble in the United States. Steve McDonald, senior director of government affairs for the Specialty Equipment Market Association, says the aftermarket group is keeping an eye on the situation and gathering information.

"We're not sure how widespread it is," McDonald says. "We are alarmed by the possible implications of this."

Meanwhile, auto manufacturers are powering ahead with plans for performance models, as well as building up their inventories of performance parts that can be used to turn their sport compact entries into tire-ripping street burners. Automakers contend they are merely responding to demand from customers who want performance.

Are they concerned about potential insurance pitfalls? "To a degree, yes," says General Motors sport compact expert Bob Kern. "But 90 percent of kids say ?So what?' Most kids are dedicated to the cars and aren't really reading the fine print. I think a lot of them don't know they could invalidate their policies by modifying their cars."

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Yet another reason to build a sleeper.

Patrick '93 Cobra '83 LTD

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Patrick
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How about not telling them its modified?

Reply to
John Wiebalk

That can't even be discovered after the fact.

Steve

72 Skylark

Reply to
A Guy Named Steve

Patrick opined

AND... for some insurors, it will be an "opportunity".

"Come to US when State Farm cancels you... if your record is spotless we'll only charge you 20% more than you were paying"

Reply to
Backyard Mechanic

Eh, just one more way for Insurance Companies to increase profits. They can't raise rates too much or they create economic 'swirl' - that is, customers who fire them and go elsewhere.

Why are Insurance companies in need of so much money? Bad drivers causing wrecks? No; actually, they invested their profits poorly and lost a LOT of money after 9/11, and are now trying to recoup. It has nothing to do with our driving habits, the way we 'tune' our cars; just poorly run companies who invested their profits unwisely, and we all now get to pay for their stupidity.

My advice has always been the same on matters such as this: if you are not being served properly, fire the bastards and go elsewhere. The only reason ANYTHING costs so much is because we are willing to pay.

-JD

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JD Adams

Read the post:

After the fact, when trying to collect on a claim, the policy might have been invalidated already.

In the US, that is called misrepresentation, and is punishible not only by a voided policy. But also by, a large fine and imprisonment.

The insurance companies have had us by the short hairs for years and years, and especially myself, as a collision repair shop operator. They are trying to make us fall to our knees in humble felatio,

But, Homie don't play dat!

Refinish King

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Refinish King

When a trained adjuster looks at the vehicle;

Then investigates, and also if that adjuster excercises the option to call in a specialized forensics investigator. For there is one for just about every automotive dicipline.

Would you want to bet your colorectal health on that?

You be da cell block showa queen ain shiet!

Refinish King

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Refinish King

Tell me more about these "automotive forensic investigators"

Steve

72 Skylark
Reply to
A Guy Named Steve

If my insurance company tried that, I would yank by house and vehicle coverage from them and cost them plenty. My insurance agent has seen my car and thought it looked great. He was somewhat dissappointed when I bought a new F-150 instead of a Subaru WRX Sti because he wanted to go for a ride in one of these cars.

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Mark Jones

If your car burns:

They'll have them investigating like green flies on shit. If you say a car hit you and drove you off of the road, their will be trained investigators at the scene and like grene flies on shit all over the car.

I have many friends that are adjusters, and if they want to advance in the company, when they hit the cap at the adjuster's level.

The next step is the investigative level.

Refinish King

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Refinish King

OK,

I thought they were regarding finding out if mods had been done to a car, not if a claim was fraudulent such as an arson.

Steve

72 Skylark
Reply to
A Guy Named Steve

Lowering springs don't change what make and model the car is. It doesn't change jack about the car as insurance is concerned.

The problem in the USA is that the insurance goes with the vehicle, it should go to the driver.

And which is better in the hands of a moron pushing a car's limits? A car with higher limits or lower ones?

Reply to
Brent P

Same here in Canada.... at the bottom of the insurance application is the oh so often unread verification of veracity...... that "I ain't lyin'" statement. Ever so strange that folks are as honest as the day is long yet tell tales and sign the "I ain't lyin'" clause.

FWIW, my agent of 30 years has never, ever seen the need to offer me state farm coverage. There's a real good chance I pay too much for my coverage but the times I've needed it all I ever did was make one phone call and the problem disappeared - and that includes ME taking the high bid body shop or whatever because that's where I wanted to go.

Whenever we buy stuff for ourselves, we should ask "do I deserve cheap???? or do I deserve good????". State farm is, quite obviously, trying to minimize their exposure to lawsuits and payouts....... By law, Albertans are required to buy insurance "coverage"..... for a few bucks more, I can buy peace of mind...

Yeah, insurance companies make way too much...... the only thing that will change that is civil war....

Jim Warman snipped-for-privacy@telusplanet.net

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Jim Warman

Progressive will do the same. They don't like vechile mods of any kind, but suspension is at the top of the "no-no" list.

MadDAWG

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MadDAWG

I've been wondering when the Insurance Companies would start to F*** things up again....

Just like they did in the early 70s' and help to kill the Horsepower wars of yester year. :>(

Yea, because the alot of them are spoiled little rich kids that have Mommy and Daddy pay their Insurance for them!!

I know! Cause I "used" to be one of them myself. :>(

Tell ya what though, "IF" I had a teenage driver in my house, I guarantee you that he/she WOULD be paying their OWN Insurance coverage. Yea, I would give them a break and put it under my Policy, but THEY WOULD Pay for it themselves!!

That is ONE BIG mistake my folks made with me!! I was a wild ass that could careless about the consequences of my actions. Oh, to be Yound and STUPID makes one old and WISE FAST! :>)

No doubt Pat! :>)

-ERIC

Reply to
Katmandu

Like the article states. When they inspect your car AFTER an accident that it is in fact Modified, you don't get REIMBURSED. You LOSE.

Reply to
Katmandu

That is why Insurance companies helped KILL the Horspower Wars in the early

70s.

-ERIC

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Katmandu

Dam, Steve. I thought you had him!

Jimmy....

investigators

Reply to
Jimmy

Old wife's tale and scare-mongering. They'd have to prove that the "performance"part is the cause of the accident. Yeah, like painting flames on your car caused the old fart to slam into the back of me. Judges are not stupid (most of teh time). Zed

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Zed

at 05 Apr 2004, Zed [ snipped-for-privacy@yahooooo.com] wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@news.individual.net:

Prove to whom? Unless you take them to court over it, they don't have to prove a thing. They just point at the contract and tell you that you neglected to inform them of a modification pertaining to the vehicles performance. So breach of contract. You'll have a fun time in court unless you are loaded and can afford an allstar time like eg O.J. or Micheal Jackson. The insurance co will just open another can of lawyers and drag it through the courts...

That's different from lowering the vehicle and I doubt any insurance would drop you for that.

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Paul

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