I have a 1972 Ford Mustang, 351C-4v. It has an Edelbrock Performer Intake, and Edelbrock Performer 750cfm carb, with vacuum secondaries. I just swapped the stock dizzy, with a MSD pro-billet (magnetic pickups), MSD-6A CD ignition and a Pertronix Flamethrower II coil. I also installed new Autolite plugs and NAPA sparkplug wires.
I have the dizzy curved to have all advance come in at about 2,800. It is timed for 16 degress initial, with 25 certifugal, for 41 total degrees at about 2,800 RPM. The dizzy also has a vacuum advance, which is hooked up just above the butterfly plates in the carb.
The car idles beautifully (much better than it ever did). However, at about 3,000 RPM (cruising), it is missing pretty badly. There is no knock or pinging though, and I know that 41 degrees total advance is a lot. Any recommendations for what's causing the missing? What could I do? Should I back off the initial advance to about 13 degrees, so I total out at 38 degrees?
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Jim Warman
At the very least, I'd back the timing up until you get stuff sorted out. Did you regap the plugs to take advantage of the MSD primary circuit? Also... did you get the 6A or the 6AL? If it's the 6AL, don't overlook the limiter chip... if it's the 6A, make sure it's PN 6200 (not 6246).
I can't see required voltage at idle being very high (even if the plugs are gapped in the 0.060" range) but even so, I would have likely opted for something a little better than "chain store" wires. We've been using the MSD wires for a few seasons and they are very good.
One afterthought... is this a case of dropping cylinders randomly or a steady miss?
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Joe
I'm going to swap the NAPA wires for MSD's super conductors.
Its the 6A box, PN 6200. I have the plugs gapped to .035 (stock calls for .034).
Also, it is a steady miss, not random. I can't pinpoint the cylinder, but it always happens.
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Jim Warman
With the MSD setup, you could probably go as wide as 0.070".... We runn
0,060 on our 9.5:1 B block Dodge with nary a hiccup. Check your fuel pressure and flow to make sure the carb bowl isn't going down, too.
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John
With an ice pick type electrical tester, hook the alligator clip to ground and poke the ice pick end into the spark plug wire at the spark plug one at a time. If it's always missing on one cylinder, the one that makes no change in the idle/sound is the one thats missing. I'd do this before you take the cheap wires off and put the expensive ones on.
If the expensive wires are on and it's still missing, pull the spark plug wires off the spark plugs one at a time WITH insulated gloves on. Again, if it's always missing on one cylinder, the one that makes no change in the idle/sound is the one thats missing. With a '72 351 you should have room to do this.
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.boB
Too much timing. To set base timing, get rid of the timing light. I know, I know! That flys in the face of common wisdom and known mechanical rules. But just listen. The timing light is used to set the base timing of a stock car with stock parts to a setting that the factory engineers determined to be the best based on current fuels, technology, parts, expected use, yada, yada, yada. How many of these standards apply today? Answer - None! So forget that standard and come up with a new one. Also remember that base timing has absolutely no bearing on power output or efficiency - unless you measure those standards at idle, and who does that? What you need is a vacume gauge and a half a glass of water. Unplug the vacume advance line at the distributor, and plug the line in to the vacume gauge. With the engine full warmed up, turn the distributor until vacume is highest at the same idle setting. Now watch the glass of water. Fine tune the setting until the water ripples are the smoothest. Now shut the engine off and restart. If it starts easily, that's your best base timing. If it's seems to be hard to start, back off
1-2* and try again. Use the timing light to check and see what your base timing really is. It' will probably be around 10* or 12*. Save that info for later, you'll need it.
Now it's time to set total mechanical timing. This has a direct impact on your total power output. Most SBF's like about 34-36* total advance, all in by
2,800-3,200 rpm's. More than that rarely adds more power, and often causes detonation that you can't hear. So I would start with 34* all in by 3,000 rpm's. Do a few hard acceleration runs in 3rd or 4th gear (not first). If it's knocking, take out 2*. If not, add 2* until it does knock. Then back off 2-3*. That's your maximum total advance under power. Now you can change the curve to come in sooner or later as you need to for best power and driveability. That's your best mechanical advance. Again, using the timing light to find out exactly what it is, it will come in handy later.
Finally, you can set vacume advance. All that does is provide a little fuel economy at light/partial throttle, like cruising. It doesn't add any power at all. If not adjusted properly, it will cost you some power. Start at about 8*. Drive around in your normal cruise mode and see how it does. If it starts to ping, back off. If not, add a little.
Also, check your plug gaps. Stock for '72 was about .032 or so (if I remember right). But with your high powered ignition system I'd open that up to at least .045". You NAPA wires may be the bottle neck keeping you from opening them up even further. But once you got the rest tuned correctly, you could give it a try.
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Joe
Thanks! I'll give it a try.
To verify, though, using your vacuum gauge method, it is measuring ported vacuum just above the butterfly plates in the carb - it's not measuring intake vacuum. Right?
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.boB
Since you're at idle, you can use either one. If you use manifold, be sure and unplug and block the vacume line to the distributor.
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