OT: unless you have a Mustang website

I like MS Visual InterDev 6.0. It is part of MS Visual Studio 6.0.

Don Manning

Two words: Kaaza Lite :-)

Mike

at 03 Dec 2003, dwight [ snipped-for-privacy@netxero.net] wrote in news:bqm4vk$1vefc0$ snipped-for-privacy@ID-40295.news.uni-berlin.de:

A plain and simple text editor does me very well for HTML. Especially if you don't use frames and CSS and such. I use a free one called ConText which has syntax highlighting, making the HTML tags and entities stand out. Which helps prevent mistakes...

My experience with Frontpage has so far been that it generates a lot of superfluous HTML code which only adds to the size of the page source rather than perform a legitimate function.

I wrote an HTML editor, or rather add-on for popular text editors on the Amiga platform a while back. Simple buttons which would insert tHTML tags into the file you were editing. Worked well for me until CBM, who made the platform, went bust. :-(

To each his own though.

Froggy, screw all the code generators - they're all nothing but a compromise, and they all suck anyway. You're smart enough to learn basic HTML and write pages in a text editor.

a) Go here and download the barebones HTML guide:

c) Steal as much as you can from other websites. Cut-'n'-paste is a fabulous thing. 'View -> Source' is a wonderful thing.

BTW, here's a good reference:

Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC

"dwight" wrote in news:bqm4vk$1vefc0$ snipped-for-privacy@ID-40295.news.uni-berlin.de:

Macromedia Dreamweaver.

i use Notepad or Wordpad or whatever its called. Just grab a couple books from the local 1/2 price and use the right click "view source" command to learn to write HTML. its a lot easier than most people think.

Jon.

I second Dreamweaver. I use both dreamweaver and frontpage each has there good and bad

I use a program like Front Page for the big chunks, and then tweak the code.

I stole the colored scrollbars and the meta name script from two different websites. When I see something I like, I'm always checking the code...

I'll be checking these out tonight! Thanks.

dwight

heh,

Go get the "teach yourself HTML in 24 Hours" book by Sams press (its pretty old by now, but thats what I started with). Then just use notepad :)

CoogarXR

at 04 Dec 2003, CoogarXR [ snipped-for-privacy@aol.com] wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@mb-m03.aol.com:

Nah, upgrade to ConText. As I said in another post, it highlights the HTML so it's easier to see what you are doing. Great little editor and free to boot.

More info at:

Free is always good. I'll take a look.

dwight

One editor I really enjoy is "EditPlus2"...

-Mike

Take a look at Hotdog at Sausage.com... have used it for years

Gerry Ft Colllins

Hey what about some of these HTML "cleaners" that detect and remove useless code? I can't think of any names right now but just wondering...

Jason

Good grief, I live in the dark ages as far as web composing goes. I've used Netscape Composer for six years. *hanging head in shame* Works great for ME, though. :-D

Cindy '96 GT Option 248A

I'm not overly concerned about excess code (okay, not at ALL concerned). Anybody who's still accessing the internet over a 2400 baud modem (or 14.4) deserves to sit and wait.

Last figure I saw indicated that almost half of the US households online already had broadband, either cable or DSL. The rest were AOLers.

Besides - the difference between clean code and dirty code is somewhere around 1KB or less.

dwight (KIDDING!)

Eh, you're doing fine. My problem is that I'd been drafted to work with the web guy on my company's website, and we discovered some pretty cool things together. He talked me into trying frames on my site, but I got tired of that REAL quick.

If I weren't hooked on PhotoShop and if I weren't going for a multimedia presentation, I'd probably just use Microsoft Word.

(That, and the fact that the Front Page trial offer met my "free" requirement!)

dwight

at 05 Dec 2003, dwight [ snipped-for-privacy@netxero.net] wrote in news:bqr56b$25e9dg$ snipped-for-privacy@ID-40295.news.uni-berlin.de:

It's not just their end of the connection that can be slow. There are bottlenecks all over the web. Unfortunately, if you are on the road and use your cellphone to access the net, all you get is 14K4 if you are real lucky. I've been on landlines where I was lucky to get 24K because the lines were old and bad and the local phoneco did not care.

Not neccesarily true. It depends on the size of the page. Last couple of times I manually sanitized a frontpage generated page, I reduced teh size by between 25% and 30%.

I can't help it, done HTML for ages and I just hate bloatware. :-)

Anybody who uses a damn cellphone to surf on in to

The index page is 7KB. If you could save 25%, the index page would be a little over 5KB. So sue me - the difference then is a little MORE than 1KB.

You old guys need to get with the times. Stop living in the past. SURE, there's something to be said about clean, elegant code, but this is 2003 (-4) and we've got blazingly fast computers in the home today that put to shame anything the Defense Department had 10 years ago. It's a quantum leap over even five years ago. Those computers look at my website and its 1.7KB of dirty code and don't even blink. The time it takes them to process the extraneous bits of information is somewhat less than a nanosecond - before it even registers, they've moved on.

Do your rant for Microsoft, for Adobe, for large software generators, and leave my little website alone. Me and my dirty code aren't going to bring the internet crashing down. In fact, I might just go looking for that little shovelling hardhat guy that signifies "under construction", just so I can have even MORE useless code on my page!

dwight