Please help me identify a 69 Mustang Grande.

Jan 22, 2005 5 Replies

Please help me identify a 69 Mustang Grande.



Thanks for the help guys. I'm looking to buy my first mustang after years of wanting one. I have found a 1969 Mustang Grande. The car has many new parts but is a mechanic special. Problem is the mechanic is a Chevy man. The car was advertised as a 351 Windsor and has the proper codes under the hood and on the driver door. It has T for Metuchen, New Jersey, 01 for hardtop, and M for 351 4V. The car doses not have the original carburetor, and has an Edelbrock intake manifold. When asked the guy could not tell me if it was really a 351. Is there any way to tell exactly what engine it has short of breaking it down and measuring the stroke? Is the firing order on a 351 different than the 289 or 302? One last thing, how was the vin under the hood attached? This one had a single screw in the middle holding it to the frame but the one on the door was riveted with very large rivets.



Thanks for all the help guys. Ps I have a pic of the engine if that would help. It's too large to post.



Essentially a 351 Windsor is a "high deck" version of the Windsor block. It will look like a 302 with a wider intake manifold. The way I always check visually is that the lower bolt on the thermostat housing is tucked behind the timing cover/water pump on a 302. With the 351 Windsor that lower bolt will stand up and away from the timing cover. Basically you can only access that lower bolt with a wrench on the 302 but you can use a socket and extension on the 351 (!)

Is the firing order on a 351 different than the 289 or 302?

(1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8) for the 351 vs. (1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8) for the 289/302

Note: the late model 302 HOs are the same as the 351W firing order.

One note to you bowtie guys, Ford numbers their cylinders differently than everyone else. On a V8 they are numbered from 1 to 4 on the passenger side and 5 to 8 on the drivers side not from side to side like GM etc.

Metuchen cars have a body buck tag that is held on by one screw. The actual VIN plate should be up under the windshield on the dash as well as the door plate. These should all match. Often the "warranty plate" on the door is different due to door swaps from rust or accidents in the cars past and carelessness of the repairer not to swap the original plate.

Good Luck. Bui the car! Gget the hell away from those damned chebbies ;^) StuK

FYI: You are correct, the "M" code denotes the car originally contained a 351W 4V engine.

Firing order is different for 289/302 and the 351W. Early 289/302 engine firing order is 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8. 351W engine firing order is

1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8.

There are casting numbers on the engine block and heads - these can be utilized to determine the engine. The following link lists block and head casting numbers:

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Yet another $.02 worth from a proud owner of a 1970 Mach 1 351C 4V "M" code @

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The Edelbrock intake will say what engine it is, as the two do not interchange. Firing orders don't mean diddly if someone put a 302 cam in a 351.

CobraJet

A 351W would have a triangular gusset on the driver side of the distributer mount.

easiest way to tell 351 w from 280/302 is to look at intake manifold bolts

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