Your babbling of bush hatred. Nope. it's all old news.
Pro corporate welfare? I've never posted anything favoring corporate welfare. You really do have a reading comprehension problem. Either that or you are simply insane. If you think I posted anything favoring corporate welfare, I demand you back up the claim with a link to the post in the google archive.
More side tangents..... You'll note that Chicago has had the driest summer on record since 1934.
Never said anything of the kind. I can make up various acusations about you too. Watch:
The fact that you defend the bu$h regime's barbaric policy of allowing aliens to abduct working class people and running experiments on them is .......
I didn't say anything about tax cuts or corporate welfare.
Where is there a mention of corporate welfare or tax cuts? Not there.
Nope. I dislike the current system. Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
I wrote nothing of the sort. You must be delusional. I outlined the IRS numbers on the shares of income taxes paid and asked you to clairify your statement that the top 5% wasn't paying their fair share. You haven't.
Ok, where are your revised figures showing the shares paid?
You still haven't even defined what the fair share for the top 5% is. Is it 50% of all income taxe revenue? 70%? 95%? what is their fair share?
Of course they do. But democrats and republicans keep telling us we can't have a tax code without such nonsense. Because then, the government wouldn't have as much power.
You don't have to do that, you could pay your 'fair share'.
Like John Edwards.
I know they do. It's sick. But then again, the elites, democrat and republican alike make the rules. Do you think John Kerry is going to increase his taxes to help 'the poor'? Of course not. He'll increase mine.
I haven't stated it was. In fact, if you look up my old posts you'll find I state it is NOT.
You're not just reading impared but out right delusional. I've never done anything of the kind.
No, I meant: Could you point out what isn't fair here and in which direction? I asked you to clairify your views. You still haven't. What's unfair about about the share of taxes paid by the top 5%? And in what direction?
Their 'opposition' is simply drama for our consumption. They play the role of being for the "working man" when they themselves are bunch of rich people who are making a complex tax code that punishes ordinary folks just trying to get ahead and allows them, who can afford to play all the games and loopholes to not pay taxes. The republicans play them too, but the republicans use a different set of excuses to sell it to us.
That aside, the last I saw the tax cuts on a percentage basis were pretty fair across the board for those who pay taxes. But the democrats want to make me feel it's unfair that 2% of what I pay in taxes is a much smaller dollar amount than 2% of what someone else pays in taxes. Sorry, I understand math too well to feel that to be unfair.
So, what you're saying is that even though your property is appreciating you still take a depreciating deduction on your taxes. Hmmm. Sounds like you're stealing money out of my pocket that I wouldn't necessarily have to pay the government if you were paying your fair share. I think you should practice what you are preaching. You are just as bad as every body who doesn't think like you.
All that you have written and/or copied has had a decidedly socialist flavor to it. You know, from those who can afford it to those that can't. Or redistribution of weath. What's it like to be a part of the new communist party?
This country wasn't built on the precepts of taking from the rich and giving to the poor. Charity is a good thing, but not when it is forced upon you. It's called extortion or stealing at that point. So Hank, why do you want to steal more money out of my pocket?
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Darn if that doesn't sound like the description of a union leader......
It would seem that if you and Bill gates each paid 2% YOU would actually be paying a higher amount of your "disposable income". Gates would pay a higher dollar figure, but would have far more left over to pay for planes and trains and whatever other toys he might want.
I was refering to the reduction in taxes. Not a flat tax. For instance, assume everyone pays 2% less after a tax cut. If I payed $10,000 in taxes before, I pay 9,800 after. Someone else who paid $50,000 before, pays
49000 after.
The problem I have is more with how some people get their money by playing dirty.
I see said the blind man as he was introduced to the fine lady by Braille..... ; 0 ) Sorry, I must have dropped back from the Twilight Zone, and right into the middle of the topic.
Playing dirty? Seems like that would be up for interpretation. What one might consider right and normal, another would consider unjust.
Look at the Martha Stewart's and the dot com heads who felt they did noth>>
No, you never stated what you found unfair. You just dumped two links of the home pages of two sites. I commented on both sites. You never clairified your idea of what a fair share is. Just posted a link to some group ranting about 'tax cuts for the rich' and another group of rich people who felt they should be taxed a lot. You never clairified what a 'fair share' is. What is a fair share? You've not answered. And continue to avoid answering. My guess is you don't have a clue what a fair share is. If the the top 5% paid 110% of all income taxes you'd still rant about rich not paying their fair share.
And trim that sig file to 5 lines, I am sick of deleting it on each reply. Or at least use the mark that gets it auto deleted.
It did, at first. I wanted to see JUST how far you guys had gone. Yikes. Also, the subject of how to improve RAMFM was brought up. Avoiding tiresome tirades such as this (it's a car group, yamember?) is one way.
Also,
Just to underscore its enormous, ungodly off-topicness, pun intended. Yeah, I said it, off-topicness.
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Well dang it Bobby, that was one good funny ya just made. I usually do ignore them. I was making a point about what sorts of messes screw up hobbyist newsgroups. This is the biggest one aside from trolls. Your mileage may vary, but it's generally accepted fact.
Hmmmmm.... I just checked your statistics on this thread, and I believe you are in error. I just counted three times the use of "Mustang" and "Ford".... oops.... make that 5 times.... : )
I see, you cannot provide a direct answer. Any further discussion is pointless.
My guess is you won't be satisified until the government collects all income that is greater than yours.
I haven't ranted once, mr. projection. I gave facts and specifics on who pays what share. You refuse to give a straight answer.
I am not defending a system. You'd know that if you could read and comprehend. I asked you a very simple question. You refuse to answer it. Instead you go on and on and on with side tangents and rants about this or that, avoiding a very simple question.
What share of the taxes collected do is a fair share for the top 5% to pay? 20%? 50%? 95%? 110%? How much is a fair share? At what percentage of the taxes is it a 'fair' share?
The income tax leveled that out? So, what the author is saying is that the average family made no actual gains on the wealthy, the government simply TOOK money from them.
Yet, in the paragraph above he stated something entirely different. That the rise of incomes of the average family narrowed the gap.
The guy can't even be consistant.
Other than appealing to jealousy, what is the point?
Oh, it's a pie... and they took an unfair share of it! This tired socialist crap. There is no finite pie. You either get off your ass an earn something or you don't. With the rise of the welfare state and taxation of the middle class, there becomes less and less reason to do so. Meanwhile with all the complexities of the tax code those born into wealth need not either.
Well, thanks to policies that have put ordinary people in competition with illegal aliens and people in foreign nations willing to work for pennies on the dollar, it's no wonder. But both our so called parties support those things. Democrats haven't stopped it and won't stop it. Hell they started the round of it we are currently in.
It's been going on since Bubba was in office and before. In fact, many things were done by the clinton adminstration to further it.
I haven't seen any such thing. The data I saw shows a pretty fair tax cut based on *percentage*. Now some might want a dollar amount equal tax cut, but they never seem to actually argue for that. Instead they decide to try and decieve people into being upset and jealous.
A good hunk of poorest 20% get money FROM the government they don't pay income taxes. Shrub's tax cuts GREW the number of people who don't pay income tax at all dramatically. It's hard to have a big tax cut when you don't pay taxes or very little in taxes in the first place.
I tried to explain this before. 2% of 100,000 is a lot more than 2% of
10,000. This is what the author is using to create an image that the rich got a much larger tax break. When in fact, they got the same break that the rest of us did percentage wise. What you should be arguing for then is a dollar to dollar cut rather than percentage rate cuts.
But it would be too straight forward to argue in an honest manner like that. Because if they argued that way, it's not dramatic enough and some people might think, gee, the rich people's tax rate went down X percent and so did mine and that seems fair.
Let me put it this way. Let's say ford offered a 2% rebate on all it's cars. That means a buyer of a cobra gets a bigger rebate than the buyer of a V6 base coupe. Is that unfair? Or should it be a striaght up $500 rebate regardless? If ford offered that $500 rebate on all mustangs, would be unfair to the cobra buyer, because ford then made a bigger profit percentage because it gave up a smaller percentage of profit with the fixed amount rebate?
Our income tax rates are based on percentages, not fixed dollar amounts. So when there is a tax cut, rates are cut by percentages... an 11% bracket becomes a 10% bracket and so forth. By the very nature of the system as it is set up, people with higher tax liabilities will see greater dollar amount reductions when tax rates go down.
It's obvious to anyone with basic math skills.
You are wanting dollar for dollar equality. Which could only be done by changing now the brackets are defined and taxed. Each bracket wouldn't have a percentage as a tax, but some fixed dollar amount. That way when the taxes on joe the ironworker go down $10, bob the CEO's go down $10 too. Instead of 1% and 1%. Or maybe, it's that you want joe's taxes to go down 100% because bob makes a 100 times as much.
Why don't you come up with how you want to do things when you write your next reply. I won't be explaining these simple mathematics concepts again.
The figures are easy and it's easy to see exactly what the author is doing.
Ralph, speed kills, nader. This is an autos group, and as such you should know that Nader has long since been shown to be disqualified as an authority on anything.
Well gee, who helped create those conditions. DEMOCRATS and REPUBLICANS. Yet it's all GWB's fault!
Stop being jealous and furthering the us and them mentality and wake up. For crying out loud stop allowing yourself to be pandered to by rich elitiests in the democrat party that in turn only serve the interests of the rich and their own self appointed role as the parental figures of the people. At least with a republican I don't have to deal with this nonsense, it's just him against me in an unfair fight.
No shit? I did a copy-and-paste into Word, and did a Find. Nothing did I find. I was wrong. The point remains that this endless shit does nothing to help this group, ever. Never.
Maybe they should go to a political discussion group and beat each other up. Maybe there, someone more erudite than both of then will hand them their asses.
This is a hobbyist group, remember? Lighten the FUCK UP and get off your high horses.
You can tell your browser to ignore the thread or just killfile anyone you don't want to see if it is really getting to you that bad.
If it weren't for OT threads and discussions this place would die in a matter of weeks. I imagine that even you have participated in a few of them. The hay day of ramfm has been over for years. Be careful what you ask for because you just might get it and this place will die completely. ;)
I know that, I guess I just feel compelled to pee in the wind for some reason. I know, "don't let it hit you in the face".
"Even me?" Of course I have. And sadly, I think you're probably right. I'm not sure why, but I wish it to be otherwise. Wishing for a thing doesn't make it true. This was just a monster OT thread, so I felt compelled, in the spirit of recent discussions, to try to make a statement.
I largely lurked during that time you speak of. Should have jumped in earlier.
After being here for so long I have learned to let most things roll off my back. I look at this group as more of a social club than a Mustang help group anymore. Maybe it is because the newer cars are too complex to mod but we just don't have many serious hot rodders here anymore. I have an '89 LX sitting in my garage with A TON of mods. If I answer one more subframe, air filter, dino vs. synthetic oil, remove the MAF screen or not question I will go insane. Some of the nastiest threads I have seen here have been over motor oil and air filters so even on-topic ones can be ruthless. Some of those threads make this one look tame in comparison. Personally, I look for the harder core questions, especially ones relating to supercharging. Sadly, anymore, these questions are few and far between.
Joe and I discuss politics here a lot and have done so for years. We keep things civil even when we don't agree. I do the same with any other regular here. I usually ignore Hank (he is a political troll and cares nothing about Mustangs) but for some reason, this time, I just felt like screwing with him. I'm making myself look more conservative than I really am because it further cranks him up.
I got off my high horse when I dropped out of my Mamma's womb. I had no choice. :)
I understand. Sometimes it feels good to get something that bothers you off your chest.
Don't worry. Like all things, this thread will end too.
"Michael Johnson, PE" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@giganews.com:
A lot of groups are getting like that. I think the serious hot rodders are actually working on their cars and running them rather than reading and posting fodder in groups like this one.
So, Michael, what do you think of using a K&N over the stock box air filter on a Fox car? Will I gain 5hp? LOL!
BTW, how often do you change your oil and what do you use? LOL!
Speaking of which, is there anything new out there these days? I've been out of touch and I'm seriously wondering if you have any neat stuff to share. One of these days I'd still like to stuff a KB onto the Dak.
I think we agree on more than meets the eye. ;)
Hank's a fanatic that doesn't deserve a response IMO.
So are you admitting you're a troll? ;)
Best line I've read in here in months!! Kudos to you, sir.
Hell, I don't consider myself a serious hot rodder anymore. My Mustang is still sitting in the garage on crutches.
Remember those threads and how hot they would get? Some people thought a K&N let too much dirt through and would trash your engine in 25k miles. I've used a K&N for almost 120k on my car with no trouble. Maybe I need to start a thread. :)
That was another hot topic. Was it WF that changes his once a year? I would argue whether the synthetic oil was more cost effective than dino oil. I think I added up the savings of using dino oil over a 150k mile span and found I saved nearly enough to rebuild the engine. This was when synthetics were real expensive.
Kenne Bell makes some very wicked kits. The one for '99+ Mustangs are ass kickers. They are supposed to have a kit for the '05s soon and it should make about 500 rwhp with the 9 psi kit. That is some incredible hp from just 9 psi. Here's their latest news on the DC vehicles:
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I don't follow the Mustang hot rod market my nowadays. My next Mustang will be the GT500 and I'll do the minor mods to get it to 600 rwhp and be done with it. My days of hot rodding are about over. I do want to get a 427W into the LX before I'm done.
I think so too. If we only discussed things we agree on then boredom would set in quickly.
Now, even Hank needs a little love too. Ninety-nine percent of the time I ignore him. This is just that 1% when I don't.
Maybe a little, just for this thread. :)
Why thank you. I came up with that all by myself too.
"Michael Johnson, PE" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@giganews.com:
Well, at least mine's out on the road every day courtesy of my son.
BTW, he came up with a brilliant solution for a recurring problem. You know the 2-piece box that's right behind the ignition switch in the steering column? Over time the bottom half starts to come loose from the top half because the little "fingers" on the top half start to bend away (nice design, Ford!). When this happens, some of the contacts inside don't touch and bad things happen (no blinkers, no a/c fan, etc.). I used to just tap each of the fingers with a small screwdriver and hammer to bend them back to hold the bottom half tight up against the top, but at this point the fingers are pretty much gone. So my son says why not just put a tie-wrap around the whole thing? D-oh! Ten minutes later, job done and problem solved. He just earned himself a free tank of 93 Octane.
You should see the threads over in the Dodge truck group (just ask Nosey). Anybody who brings up K&N immediately gets ripped a new one.
Yes, because he uses Amsoil. I'll be ripping on him until doomsday because of that. Right, WF? :)
I use it now simply because of the climate here. Over 90 degrees in bumper-to-bumper with the a/c blasting every day certainly doesn't do wonders for the engine. Sure, it's more expensive, but I figure that I can forego eating at Wendy's a few times that month to make it up.
Yes, I see that they're now making the kit for the Hemi (BTW, I think it's interesting that they call the Hemi a "masterpiece in engineering"). Also of note is that they're apparently holding back on the kit "due to calibration difficulties". This tells me that they actually care about their products, as opposed to just throwing a kit together and selling it.
I haven't found anything except centrifugal blowers for the 360, but this seems to be a nice little n/a package:
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could certainly go for mid-13s... ;)
I can't wait to hear your impressions once you get the GT500. That certainly is an awesome car. Any ideas/plans for that 427 yet?
Indeed. Controversy is much more fun. Nobody reads these exchanges but us anyway... ;)
Believe me, it's entertaining. :)
Good for you. It's fun, isn't it? Remember dwight and alt.troll? I still lol over that one.
That boy is a born engineer. Tie-wraps are an engineers best friend, second only to duct tape. With tie-wraps, duct tape and epoxy glue he can probably fix about anything. ;)
They probably act like your engine will explode as soon as the K&N is installed.
That's right. You and he periodically get into a flame war over the once a year oil change. Aren't we overdue for one between you two? Maybe an oil thread is overdue.
I used it a few times once when I ran the blower at 16 psi. I figured at that boost level that poor old short block could use all the help I could give it. :)
Kenne Bell are sticklers for getting things right. The kits they sell are well thought out and the computer programing they use is very good and safe. They are much better about quality on the newer kits than they were with the 5.0L kits. The 5.0L kits were not optimized for performance. Even the 5.0L Blowzilla manifolds were developed by another company and KB bought the design when they went out of business.
That seems to be a steep price but then maybe everything is steep nowadays.
I'm looking forward to getting that car. Having the amenities of a new car with 600 rwhp and a convertible just makes me giddy. I really hope they offer and automatic. I have put the 427W on hold until one of the development projects pay off. I'm getting close to having one finally go to public hearing and two of them should pay by next spring. If I'm going to do it I want to do it right. I also want to go through the car and get the seats reupholstered and a lot of the trim replaced. I want it to be just like showroom stock on the interior and exterior. The drive train and suspension will be far from stock. I want to install the complete Maximum Motorsports suspension kit too. I would rather wait until I have the money to do it all at once. Otherwise I'll probably just waste money on things I'll replace later. I've done way too much of that over the years.
I'm sure there's a few people that read them and shake their head in disgust over the waste of bandwidth.
I try to keep it light and lively while injecting a little humor here and there. It's good to know that at least one person finds it entertaining.
It's funny to see the newbies complain about our current resident trolls. They really don;t know how bad it can get. The trolls we have now are really troll-lites. I remember some weeks where we were flooded with troll posts. I could barely find the good posts in all the bad ones.
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