flush or not to flush

I have 2001 Nissan Altima. 62000 miles and I though it is a good time to do some check ups here and there. Transmission fluid replacement is one of them. While I do not experience any problems with transmission (transmission fluid is a little dark red, does not smell burnt nor it has any particles on the dipstick) just preventive care. I have a few options ...flush or drain.

  1. Flush. Well I asked here and there and I am a little confused. Many people do not recommend doing it at all. Nissan Altima 2001 does not have filter but screen. A guy told that flushing means reverting the flow of the fluid to the opposite diretion.so all the debris gathered on the screen will flow back getting stuck in some places causing real harm to transmission. True I did not find any particles on the stick ..it does not mean though that they are not somewhere there (in torquet?). Generally I heard flushing might cause more harm then good..because (now is funny) I will get rid of the fluid that has some 'good little debris of clutch around it' that supposedly help to function clutch better. New fluid will accelerate the process of wear and tear of my transmission (?!). Why all the shops recommend doing that ? Well it is because of that machine that keeps the process easy and clean and is a good return for shops to sell the service. They do not care that you might not be able to shift gears after the flush ...

  1. Drain. Old school method .. the process is simple .. uncap, let the old liquid drain and pour new liquid . Problem : about 50% of old fluid will stay, we mix old transmission fluid with new (heck if I know whether old fluid was synthetic or not and if the 1 qrt I poured some 1 year ago was synthetic or no ....) Supposedly it is not a problem. The good thing is that the parts of clutch will still live in the environment where the particles are all around and help to function the clutch (?!) This will extend the life of my transmission and is the best option for preventive care ...

Please let me know what you guys think about it. Looks like there are

2 schools ... Those who want to do a decent job and those who want to sell service .. the problem is I am not sure who is who ..my guts are telling me : just as you maintain your engine with new oil you should maintain every other part of your vehicle ....so there the answer should be out there ;-)))
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What does the owner's manual say? Generally, IMO, all this flushing of crankcase, transmission, etc. is mostly a means of getting into your pocket. Having said that, Consumer Reports magazine has reported that some engines suffer from sludge formation in the lubrication system and can benefit from periodic flushing.

You might try a Google on the subject to get more information or check with a Nissan technician. The so called Service Advisors in my experience have little technical knowlege and are mainly Service Sales people. I would not trust them to KNOW the answer. They are often paid a commission for sales made so YOUR best interests may not be their primary incentive when advising you.

Good to see your sceptecism.

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Butch Davis

I'd go with drain. While your car is not old, it's not young either, and the idea that a flush can possibly ruin your tranny just doesn't sit well with me. I'm sure the lube center make you sign an agreement saying that they are not repsonsible for any potential failure of the transmission after they flush the tranny fluid.

The drain and fill routine will, as you said, leave old fluid in the tranny. Despite that, that simple maintenance will add years of life to your tranny, especially since you're doing it before the tranny has developed any problems. Why not do 2 drains? That's what I do with my cars, both of which have over 100K miles. Once in the spring and once in the fall. My tranny will probably way outlast the rest of the car from this simple maintenance, and its inexpensive and diy.

Another thing to keep in mind: some trannies, like the BMW 7 series have a completed sealed unit. They don't ever need a fluid change.

I think you're right, the shops are just looking for another service they can charge you for. Maybe a NYC yellow cab may need a periodic flush because of its intense duty cycle, but most cars don't.

CD

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codifus

My understanding is that a quality flush (e.g. BG) is preferable because it not only exchanges all the fluid but flows chemical agents through the system to thoroughly clean things. The build up of particles and sludge can eventually cause clogging of the tiny hydraulic passages in the valve body which will result in transmission failure. A quality flush machine will circulate fluid via the tubing that normally circulates transmission fluid through the radiator and do so in the same direction that the fluid normally flows. The determining factor as to whether to flush or not is the condition of the fluid. If it's looks clean and smells good, then flushing is good preventative maintenance every few years. However, if there is any doubt about the condition of the fluid, then leave it alone. If there is already some sludge buildup, then flushing may loosen sludge and who knows what it might clog up. In that case drain and fill is certainly safer and the preferable way to go. Good luck. Al

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