Wow, I don't believe the US patent office awarded a patent to a generalization of electrolyte

To someone with bogus invention like this one. There is no specific mention of material used in his electrolysis. I bet the patent office doesn't have an engineer to verify whether or not the invention is working. For example like the flaw, it's related to the problem that Coast to Coast tester mentionned earlier last week, he was having problem with Oxygen Sensor and "Engine light came on."

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The operation of the vehicle's oxygen sensor needs to be adjusted to take into account the additional oxygen that is added to the fuel system from the electrolyzer. Normally, if the oxygen sensor senses more oxygen, the vehicle's computer would determine that the engine is running lean and open up the fuel injectors to a richer fuel mixture. This is undesirable and would cause poor fuel economy:

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The inventor said he used metal for electrodes.......Heehee.... of course you have to use conductive materials in order to carry the current through the water. That's too general term!

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Kadaitcha Man

account the additional

This, of course, is a felony in the US, thanks to the EPA.

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of material used in his >electrolysis. I bet the patent office doesn't have an engineer to verify whether or not the invention is >working. For example like the flaw, it's related to the problem that Coast to Coast tester mentionned

into account the additional

the oxygen sensor senses >more oxygen, the vehicle's computer would determine that the engine is running lean and open up the >fuel injectors to a richer fuel mixture. This is

have to use conductive materials in order to carry the current through the water. That's too general term!

The point these epsilon minussses miss is that ANY electrolysis electrode metal other than platinized platinum will have an overvoltage associated with it that TOTALLY TRASHES the efficiency at higher currents.

Details in any electrochem book. The Handbook of Physics has a good summary table.

Platinized platinum requires renewal every few weeks in a costly process.

Stainless steel is particularly bad with its double whammy of a high hydrogen overvoltage of iron and its low energy passivated surface.

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Wow! yes thanks to EPA but they are still ignoring it, or maybe they don't know. I'm surprised that people allow unreliable device into their cars, maybe they are too excited to see bubbles. I didn't know that they fool around Oxygen sensors until I heard the complaint from the Water4Gas tester on Coast-2-coast.

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Kadaitcha Man

No patent needs to actually function as intended (most don't and are worthless [1]). The only function you can't claim is perpetual motion. All it does is stop someone else doing (or fail to do) it EXACTLY the same.

Patents can always be got round or over. How many different office staplers are there? Everyone has it's own patent.

The problem probably isn't extra oxygen. It's the extra fuel. Air metering systems based on pressure density (use a map sensor) can't tell difference between air and HH0 so fuel gets added to burn the H2 portion of the gas which it can't.

[1] like this one - based on ZERO losses in transferring of gas from compression cylinder to power cylinder.
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found that passage though the valves and transfer chamberrequires work and the gas can't flow fast enough, they are now runninground like headless chickens to slow that process down. So they cameup with this one.
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guided big end will hammer itself to bits in a few 100's of revs.That's assuming they can actually link the 2 halves of the cranktogether well enough to stop the whole lot twisting and jamming on thefirst stroke. I think the USA DoD has been taken for $1.2million andother private investors will lose their shirts. Whoo $15m.http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2006_August_15/ai_n26958623A bunch of professional patent lawyers make the HHO scammers look likethe low ranking amateurs they are.
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The EPA, of course, has made doing this a felony.

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True, many scraps got its own patents.

How do you know if the theory is true? This is only happening in the mind of the goofy inventor. I bet the water vaper (H2O) is the main problem, the computer is not seeing it, because you put your HHO gas tube behind Oxygen sensor, I saw it in the assembly. So how can you blame on the Oxygen sensor any way? Oh I see, that's the way you tweak the sensor by blindfolding it? so it doesn't know what's going on? If that's true then the computer should not be blamed for additional fuel injection. Where is the logic man?

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Screen Barret

I think it depends on whether or not you can pass the smog test. If the car computer complains then yes, it won't pass the smog test, and it's a felony.

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Screen Barret

Actually the computer did complain, accordoing to the tester on coast-2-coast. He said the engine light came on "Check your engine" this is bad....very bad... I can't believe Water4Gas went too far with their commercial.

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