Should I buy a GM? or should I jump ship?

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(busy dreaming of a nice red early 60's Skylark convertable...)

SIGH. New cars suck so much. No soul anymore.

Obviously you have not driven a car like my 2005 Mustang GT convertible ;)

mike hunt

Joseph Oberlander wrote:

Are you Goofy?

New cars are more reliable, get better fuel milage, safer, handle better, have better styling and certainly have more add on goodies than any older car. If all you want is brut power then get your 60's rust bucket. For me, I'll take the newer car. Soul? What older car had soul. Most had a huge appitite for high octane gas and tires. The '05 Mustang has power, soul, good mileage and most of all it's a safer car all around than it's 60's counterpart.

Agree...

Agree...

Agree...

Mostly disagree...cars of the 50's and 60's showed much more imagination in styling than just about anything produced today. Todays cars are cheesy moulded plastic

A definate minus in my book! I don't want cars with automatic ass-wipers. I want to operate the car, not the car operate me!

You don't go to car shows much do you?

To each his own.

You're kidding..right? Nope, no car shows for you, I take it.

True, but what does that have to do with "soul"? Also, so what?

The 05' Mustang appears to be a rare exception. I may even buy one of those in a couple of years (and I'm hardly a Ford person)

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Egads. The fake plastic covers for that should be real vents... The whole car is typical Ford plastic and show with not enough function. Just wait 7-8 years and tell us how much fun it is to be constantly repairing it.

But they all are jellybeans and have no soul. Well, there are a few expensive exceptions, to be sure, but the vast majority are bland pieces of well-engineered ticky-tacky. Like wearing around a dozen different versions of Timex watches.

Just what people want. A reliable appliance just like a wash machine or mixer. Turn the switch and go from point 'A' to point 'B'. Look at the car as the tool that it is. Besides, a non human can't have a soul.

Apparently you have chosen to comment on a vehicle that you have never seen, let alone know anything about. As to how it runs it will blow the doors off any 2005 vehicle you may own. As to how well they hold up I own the following old Ford vehicles a 1941,

1971 with almost 300K on the clock, 1972 with 170K, 1983 with 99K that all continue to run quite well, thank you. LOL

mike hunt

Joseph Oberlander wrote:

You've never seen the movie "Christine". :-)

Ya, and "My Mother the Car" and "Herbie the Love Bug".

Right...but Amway is only for the very few.

Ian

Running it into the ground?

I prefer American metal.

But you just had to love all those "K" cars Mopar put out after the bail-out.....NOT!

Me too !!

If it aint a GM it just isn't an automobile. .

Generally the Japanese (Toyata in particular) are no harder to repair than today's "american" iron. The parts are generally no more expensive, and the dealers are less likely, statistically, to rip you off.

And you generally don't need to repair the Jap stuff nearly as often either.

I had to do some work on my wife's Ford this week - and the bandits double charged me for some gaskets. Bag says i pkg of 2, I paid for 2 pkg of 1. I'm going back on Monday to raise a little hell. At $27.00 for a pair it's bad enough ------. The

That may be your personal opinion but I have no idea where you get your information to develop that opinion. I doubt you work in the industry. From what we see in our fleet service business, that does warranty and maintenance for most manufactures, Toyota parts do not only cost more generally than those of domestics, they cost a lot more, generally. A power steering pump for a Cadillac can be had for around $500, for a Lexus it is more like $1,500. Your assumption that Toyotas do not need to be repaired as often is flawed as well. The failure rate among Toyotas is on a par with the vehicles of most every other manufacture. As too Toyota dealerships they are way below the average on J D Powers customer satisfaction list every year.

Every manufacture is making good quality vehicle today. The only real difference among brands that we see is style and price, period. If customer surveys of all types of vehicles and brands were in percentages, rather than as a list of averages, you would find all brands to be in the 98% to 99% range as good vehicles.

mike hunt

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Funny how these folks that love the asian autos so much just have to chat on a GM forum. I guess they couldn't find alt.toyota.sucks One thing I do know Mike, every one has an opinion and most of the time it's the wrong one.

I said it once and I'll say it again,"if asians autos never broke then why does every asian made auto dealer have a service department?". GM cars require service more often because there are more of them out on the road. Pretty basic math.

Simple. I was a Toyota service manager for ten years.

How about for a Corolla?

Not in my experience.In 10 years as service manager at a pretty good sized dealership the only common problems were brakes, oil "pisser" switches and radiators. Didn't have engine problems. Never had an automatic transmission fail, never replaced a power steering pump or a brake booster. Never had intake manifold leaks (the old 3R and 5R Coronas were history long before) Bad Head gaskets and cracked heads were almost unheard of (early 2T corolla engines in the late 60s early

70s period had cracking issues for about 3 months of production, and the 3T engines had a problem with a minor external oil leak from the head gasket in the early 80s ) Sure, there were the odd axle bearings

- and we did rebuild a couple noisy diffs.I think we replaced one or two steering racks in those 10 years.Wiper linkages occaisionally got stiff, but never had a wiper motor just quit on it's own. But generally there were EXTREMELY reliable and durable vehicles.

Can't say that for any american iron I've EVER owned.Even those that had japanese engines in them (MitsuShitty). Tranny in Ford Aerostar, Tranny in Chrysler NewYorker, Diff in New Yorker, Engine in LeBaron, Heads in New Yorker, Steering racks in LeBaron, NewYorker and Pontiac.Wiper motors on both Chryslers, 2 on the Pontiac, and one on the Aerostar. Intake manifold gaskets on the Mystique

Depends on the dealerships. I know a lot of people who keep servicing their vehicles at the dealership long after they are off warranty -at Japanese dealerships. Many american car owners don't go back to the dealer unless warranty work is required because they are sick and tired of being cheated, and having the vehicles come back either not fixed or worse than when they went in.

Then why are GM and Ford constantly loosing ground - and both in danger of going TU???

I'm out of the business now, but younger brother is still running his general repair shop. Up until 3 months ago he was servicing a pretty good sized limo fleet. The Caddies were dropping like flies. The Lincolns stood up pretty well, as did the Grand Marquis. The parts costs were rediculous.

Mabee things are different in the USA than in Canada

I'm driving Pontiac and Mercury right now - and fixing them on a fairly regular basis. I'm buying the parts from the dealers and I CONSTANTLY have to be vigilant or I'm being over-charged (cheated). Buying gaskets that come as a set of 2 - and paying for them as if they came one at a time. Never have that problem dealing with the local import dealers - whos parts counter guys actually have a pretty good idea what they are doing. I find they are generally not only more competent, but less surly to deal with too -