Why is this newsgroup all technical troubleshooting?

He probably doesn't know what it is, give the guy a break.

I try not to top post but I don't understand why some people get their panties in a bunch about it, it's just not that hard for me to figure out the flow of the conversation and read it either way, is it really that much effort to others? If so maybe just don't read those posts?

Well, it's not because he hasn't been told by several people to stop doing it, so I'm going with "waste of time" here. Ah well...the killfile has plenty of entries, but very very few from this group.

Jonannes,

I'm not trying to intentionally, I'm just replying to your post here.

SaabGuy

Dave,

Kill? Let's not get out of hand here, I'm just reply> > >

It could be the way your email reader is set up?

Good to read you again brother Dave - long time to chat. Very respectfully your call of course, but I'm less uptight about how the post is crafted if, at least, is has something to say. Hell - *nobody* wants people bottom posting to my bizarro 1,000 word diatribes.

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For whatever it is worth - if my response is substaincially longer than the orginal post (which I suppose we can all take as pretty much a given with apols) I bottom it. If it's a quicky to a longer post, I often top post because it is a pain to scroll through a long post to read a sentence or two.

If it's a close split - I default to bottom post to meet the agreed spec.

Cheers - hey - was it you looking for manuals for '67 through '76 model lines? I finally found my old Clymer for C95, C96, C99 and Sonnet and was thinking about flogging it on e-bay. Anything specific you want scanned first?

Dexter J,

Are you planning on selling old Saab books and magazines on Ebay?

Saab Guy

Well, that's about snipping though, rather than about turning a conversation upside-down.

Clymer? Can you describe the cover? I think I might have it.

Dave

Dexter J,

Are there any photos in this Saab material that show old Saab buildings?

I'm trying to keep a collection of these buildings.

Over the past weekend, I managed to take the remaining photos of what is left of Saab buildings in Connecticut now that Saab is no longer even in Connecticut!

SaabGuy

No - not as any sort of going concern at this juncture at least.

Actually, I am now working on a Flash based manual project for my GMC motor home which might prove useful though. I have a OEM factory repair manual that has been converted to PDF and I'm building a standalone for it.

I have been thinking that it might be useful to move a factory SAAB manual to the same front end if I could ever get together the scratch to buy a set. Man, they are expensive and rare as hens teeth.

Anyway - what is going on here is that I am trying to clean out the basement and I keep coming across crap of interest. Someone was hunting for technical material a while ago and thought it might be brother Dave.

Dave's a good egg - he keeps the group aggressively swept for knobs and scammers on our behalf - doing his part to make alt.autos.saab a most welcome escape for most of the rest of us here. Not that everyone always agrees, but still, I appreciate the effort greatly.

In fact this one of the very few newsgroups that I still subscribe to now that the screw-heads have regrettably discovered the technology to it's greater potential.

Dexter J,

That's great that your brother is working for us.

SaabGuy

The cover is a little faded (anti-freeze spill at some point if I remember correctly) - but it sports what appears to be a four door 99 on the cover.

ISBN 0-892870-121-0, it's the second (corrected) issue from the Oct 1977 run edited by mighty Mister Jeff Robinson.

Covers all three model lines with some detail on the 2.0, 1.7 and 1.85 engine variances - the V4 is noted. It has the mechanical and first generation electric fuel pump and those ever hoopy Sonnet brake hoses covered as well. Not as thick as I like, but certainly has some detail of value.

No pictures of SAAB facilities I'm afraid brother SAAB guy - but lots of shots of Ray Hoy's hands in awkward places with his flipping wrist watch on. He really should have done a Timex blip-vert at some point.

Dexter J,

Nice. Thanks for that information. WHo is Ray Hoy?

Can you upload a few scans so we can see?

Saab Guy

Brother Saabguy, we are all brother and sister SAAB flagellants here. No shame or pride in it - just a reality. Brother Dave does a great deal to try to keep the bedlamites at bay and I frankly appreciate it. There are few flame wars here and those that need to be taken up to maintain order are usually very professionally undertaken by brother Dave to the great relief of at least me.

That said, don't take the advice or brevity personally - that's why a couple of other folks popped in on the thread regarding posting preferences.

You are, if I might, new to the group I think. If the irregulars can't read your posts or if you had turned out to be a wad by flipping out when someone pushes your button on it - well - how can we hope to keep up the generally civil and comradely tone this news group is notable for by establishing discourse with you?

For whatever it may be worth - you're OK in my books so far because, yes, you have posted some interesting and understandable questions being a recent subscriber. Shows initiate. Dig a little deeper and you'd be surprised at the occasionally broad depth of topic that some threads generate and how politely they are usually followed.

Anyway - good luck with your own facilities photo project. I'll be glad to flag anything I come across, it's actually kind of an interesting quest really.

Dexter J,

Thanks, that means a lot. If you come across any photos including

Saab - Norcross, Georgia

Saab's parts facility in Pennsylvania

or anything else for that matter, please let me know.

SaabGuy

I think Ray Hoy is one of the great unsong hero's out there. Here is an interesting google for you:

However - I know I read somewhere I can't find right now that one of the things Ray Hoy was famous for was to make sure he was posed for what books he did write. So - all those hands and arms you see in the practical procedural illustrations in his books are in fact Ray Hoy.

Given the extensive assistance and practical guidance that Ray Hoy provided so many of us enthusiasts trying to keep our utility classics on the road - I feel it is sort of important to make some note of the contribution to the culture.

It appears that he may have retired or even regrettably passed away. It has also been that Ray Hoy never really existed at all - and was instead a stock 'nom de plume' used to cover the tracks of wayward engineers picking up a few extra bux on the side.

But, given that the wrist watch seemed to remain intact and in place in so many different publications with his name on the cover page over the years

- I suspect he was in fact a real and much under-recognized writer.

Man - would that every be a gig I would kill for..

Of course - that would involve proof reading my work a little more carefully I suppose.

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Quite.

I was wondering about how best to explain the importance of preserving the flow of though in the thread and realised that there's a certain similarity to the script for a play.

You wouldn't want to read one of those in reverse or random order !

Graham

I suspect it's the way his *brain*, or whatever substitutes for it, is set up actually.

Graham