Why is this newsgroup all technical troubleshooting?

Boy" when they when the auto parts plant was closed because this other company bought them out, and I vividly recall them saying that "all they cared about was the name and not the people". Is Volvo suffering as bad as Saab with Ford? I'm thinking not really.

versa or potentially B) Ford buying Saab as well may have been a good idea opposed to GM as Saab has worked with Ford in the past (ie. Remember the Saab model 96 with the Ford V4 engine)?

The European Union never forced Scania to separate from Saab, that separation was done long before Sweden entered the European Union. The European Union opposed Scania from merging with Volvo trucks because the market share locally in Sweden would become too high, thus preventing the formation of the most powerful and competitive company on the truck market.

No, the operating system is VxWorks and there has been bugs detected in that OS when on Mars. I wouldn't like to have VxWorks in my car!!!

I stand corrected - surely though it has got to be better than the current OBDII system and light years ahead of the ISAT(?) I'm stuck with? I mean Trionic is actually a serious F1 technology - unfortunately completely locked out to us plebs in terms of really understanding exactly what is happening and leaving us very limited ability to work with it.

off. Oh well. Ce la vie!

So why don't you sort it out?

Johannes,

Can you help me? From my end, I don't have any scrolling. If you can help me that would be great. Currently I have it set to 72 pixels wide, but maybe there is more I need to do.

SaabGuy

head off. Oh well. Ce la vie!

Th,

Thanks for the information. I got an e-mail from Scania recently and they said that Scania became independant from Saab Cars in 1995, which is conflicts. Hmm.

Saab Guy

Boy" when they when the auto parts plant was closed because this other company bought them out, and I vividly recall them saying that "all they cared about was the name and not the people". Is Volvo suffering as bad as Saab with Ford? I'm thinking not really.

vice versa or potentially B) Ford buying Saab as well may have been a good idea opposed to GM as Saab has worked with Ford in the past (ie. Remember the Saab model 96 with the Ford V4 engine)?

"Dexter J" wrote

screw-heads ???

Hunter S. Thompson reference to hateraid purveyors. Nothing to do with mechanically inclined.

I'd quote some of the extensively crossed posted and sock-puppet replied headers from today's dump file for my local .general group this morning - but they would probably pick up on the subject lines and add alt.autos.saab to the list.

It's alarming really - there are apparently *a lot* of seriously disturbed folks out there with i-net access.

The difference between Saab and Volvo, and Ford and GM is, Ford are putting money into Volvo, using it's experience and research and using it in other marques it owns, GM is taking Saab, sticking Saab badges where they don't belong, selling them as Saabs, and then building Cadillacs at the Saab factory.

Got the northwest UK owners club newsletter this week, it had a reply from a "Marketting consultant" to a letter by a member written to Saab UK.

It explained (slightly paraphrased because I'm not reading it right now), "After both plants (Trollhatten and Russelheim) putting forward compelling cases for Saab production, the business decission was made, to move production of the 9-3 and 9-5 platforms to Russelheim. Trollhatten has vast experience of quality cars, and that experience will still be exploited when the new Cadillac production line starts work".

I take that to mean that they no longer consider Saabs to be a quality car, just an Astra/Vectra with a Saab badge, some different styling and interior. That is just shameful. To actually boast to an owner of a brand, through corporate doublespeak, that "we now you think your car is worth shit, please buy again".

If/when I return to Saab ownership, it will be in a C900 or a 9000, either a C900 convertable, or a 9000 Aero. I will not buy a newer one.

that would be great. Currently I have it set to 72 pixels wide, but maybe there is more I need to do.

When you type your reply, don't type it at the top of the previous text, type it underneith, as I have done.

You will make a lot more friends on usenet if you do that. If your newsreader (Sylpheed in your case, not familiar with it, but looks like it is in the early stages of development) doesn't automaticly do that for usenet posts, do it manually.

Just place a carriage return after the old text, and add your part. Try Pan as a unix newsreader too, and keep Sylpheed as a mail client. ISTR that Pan does correctly position the cursor when posting a "Follow up", or "reply to group" rather than an email reply to an individual.

Oh, BTW, incase you didn't already know, the Sylpheed documentation project page is here in english.

here in other european languages.http://sylpheeddoc.sourceforge.net/

The irony is in the name "Saab" which suggests that the car is Swedish. Perhaps they will now rename it to "Shit".

But this is fairly accurate - why would they consider things differently?

Definitely with you on that one (although I'm not mad keen on how the C900 convertible drives).

It isn't how accurate it is I'm complaining about, it is what they are openly happy to be smug about doing.

Oh the memeber in question isn't an old Jallopy jockey like me, he has a

900, a 9000 and a 9-5 estate (that's how he was contacted intitially because of the annual care survey).

You can still build a quality car on a more mundane platform. Look at the 9000 Aero compared to other marques on that platform, only the Alfa 164 V6 came close, but apart from sounding stunning, isn't a patch on the 9000.

The 9000 was a Mercedes class car, as was the C900, NG900, C9-3 but 9-5 and the NG 9-3 aren't even up there with Rover I'm afraid (I'm someone who can remember Rover being spoken of in the same sentence as Jaguar, Daimler, Mercedes and look what happened to Rover when the class had gone).

Hi, Just being nosey, where is the North west UK owners club based?

Steve.

Sonnet, you said SONNET !

-- MH '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96 '91 900i 16

Hey MH - yes, yes I did.

The infomation on the Sonnet is inclusive with the older models noted. I think it's actually pretty practical in that regard because, given owner mods over time, there is likely to be a fair bit of cross-over from different parts bins on most any Sonnet on the road today.

But, it does directly addresses Sonnet systems that are different from the other models in the manual as you go along. Is there anything you need from it before it goes to e-busted?

You missed my point, it's Sonett - S O N E T T see

I'll take it anyway...

(unless you will be calling a 9-5 a 95 next...)

-- MH '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96 '91 900i 16

WHOOOPS!.. Man, is my face red..

I have a Kawazaki Z1R in the basement that looks sort of like that.

.. :) ...

Flag me through my site below. Maybe we can trade something spare in our inventories. I don't have a 9000 Haynes manual and could really use one.

I'm better with model numbers. I wonder if that is why *Sonett* keeps messing me up?

Richard Elliot at Saabtec in Glossop is the head guy and national club tech guy.

Most of their Saaby stuff is done down at Manchester Saab (now Stratstone Saab) near Deansgate, and the Harry Ramsdens/KFC/MaccyD's and Casino on the edge of Salford at Regent Road.