Boxer engine

Dec 23, 2003 11 Replies

Just picked up a brand new Mazda 323 for my wife from a local dealer today. It's a 5 speed manual with a 1.8l engine.



Driving home, I felt the harshness of the engine, evening in the rev range between 2000-3000rmp. Comparing with the 2l boxer engine in my 2001 model Forester, the 4-in-line of the Mazda engine sounds and feels so un-refined. Noticed the problem while test drive the car a couple of weeks ago, the dealer said it was probably from the abused test vehicle.



I have always been driving either boxer (Legacy the Forester lately) or 6 cylinder (Toyota Cressida with in-line 6) in the last 10 years, I probably forgot the difference between boxer (or 6-cylinder) and a small in-line-4. I understand boxer has a much better running smoothness due to its self-balance, therefore it doesn't need elaborate counterbalance used in most of in-line 4-cylinder engines. Still it made me really appreciate the Subie boxer engine.



One thing did make me to regret the purchase of this particular Forester model was how easy the Mazda engine pulls the car away compare with the 2l boxer engine in the Forester. I guess extra 200kg+ weight of Forester (1360kg against 1120kg of Mazda) really makes a big difference, even the boxer has 200ml extra capacity.



It's interesting to know that the 1.8l Mazda engine has exactly the same max power of 92kw as that of 2l boxer, but the boxer has a advantage in max torque value. I probably should have waited for another few month to get the current Forester with 2.5l boxer engine.



The other thing I noticed is the my Forester feels much more solid compare to the Mazda. Surely the extra 200kg comes from somewhere.


The boxer engine is one reason I bought the Forester over a Honda CR-V. I like the Honda brand. I've had Honda motorcycles and currently have a Gold Wing with a six cylinder boxer engine. Smooooth! I appreciate the engine everytime I near 6,000rpm and there is zero engine buzz. That holds for both the Gold Wing and the Forester. Best thing next to an electric motor!

I also had a Corvair and old VW, neither a good representation of the boxer but I remember the Corvair being smooth. Also used to be an aircraft mechanic and all the engines were boxers, but none were very smooth. Usually that was because of vibration from the flywheel (propeller).

I find it strange that you should be surprised of the lack of smoothness on boxers with less than 6 cylinders. On a H4, you have two (50%) of the pistons going through the compression phase simultaneously which, by design, will cause a rougher running engine at lower RPMs.

At higher speeds, the simultaneous firing of at least two cylinders will give you a higher amplitude and subjectively higher sustained sound levels. Of course you can add cylinders to smooth out that phenomenon, but you'll just end up with another sewing machine motor.

The sound of the air cooled VW is a cultural event - a childhood memory for me - and, IMHO, the best representation of a Boxer there is. Just a little on the rustic side.

florian

ever hear a Porsche 993 3.6l hittin close to 7k rpms?

ever hear a Porsche 993 3.6l hittin close to 7k rpms?

I grew up with Bugs in the family starting with a new '55 that came over on the boat with a fellow my father worked with, back in the days when you could just buy a car anywhere and ship it back to the States... it had the semaphore turn signals, a few other "German market" features, no gas gauge (some of you will remember the "reserve switch" on the floor) and for a while I thought it was REALLY fast. It took a couple of explanations to help me figure out 100 km/h wasn't racing speed. So, yes, I understand the "cultural" nature of that sound!

That sound is NOT a "cultural event." More like a religious experience...

Rick

No, ever hear a wankel rotary hitting 12000rpm ???

no to both but ever hear a 1.5L V16 supercharged 1950s BRM winding up ? ? Check out

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Try the Loud Pass and listen to it wind into the distance.

The sound of the air cooled VW is a cultural event - a childhood memory for me - and, IMHO, the best representation of a Boxer there is. Just a little on the rustic side.

florian? ever hear a Porsche 993 3.6l hittin close to 7k rpms?

No, ever hear a wankel rotary hitting 12000rpm ???

no to both but ever hear a 1.5L V16 supercharged 1950s BRM winding up ? ? Check out

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Try the Loud Pass and listen to it wind into the distance.

Yup, but it's just not the same! Out on the track's one thing: try it inside a garage on a dyno... ouch! My ears never did recover.

Rick

Truly the most glorious sound I have ever heard! Makes me go a little ... misty.

Matt

Yes I have as one was at the Sebring race track here in Florida ~ 1965?? eddie

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