Question is in response to these developments,
two Subaru class action lawsuits in the span
of two months:
What is the root cause of the problem?
We all probably heard before that there is some
oiling deficiency to the rod bearing area in the
Is there a cure for this, perhaps? Unfortunately,
I have a similar engine in my car, 2013 Forester XT.
On 12/29/2017 3:27 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
There's a similar lawsuit that seems to be brewing for the Ford Focus
RS, except in their case, the problems developed within 1 year, so it's
still within the warranty period of most of these cars! Interesting
thing about this video is that they actually used the example of a
Subaru STI engine as how to design that Ford engine properly! In the
case of the Focus RS engine, it seems that they sacrificed cooling
performance for engine rigidity.
On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 12:21:39 PM UTC-8, Yousuf Khan wrote:
Sounds like an exact repeat of the Subaru
headgasket problem with the non-turbo ej25
engine, also an open deck design. Quality
of modern engineering is definitively
lacking. Subaru has never resolved the true
The newest Subaru lawsuit alleges massive
fraud. Subaru new perfectly well about the
problem but concealed the defective nature
of these engines from the public and unloaded
a known faulty product on the American
I tend to agree. There have been numerous
cases of well documented early engine failures
of completely unmodified well maintained cars.
This time around the plaintiffs demand punitive
damages not only recovery of costs. If such
damages are awarded we'll see some action, if not
then Subaru will just expense the lawsuit
and do nothing. This recipe has worked for them
in the past.
Here's a link to text of the lawsuit, see bottom
What I would like to know, is whether the recommended
engine oil (5w-30) is too thin and not protecting the
bearings enough or is the delivery of oil to the rod
bearings deficient? Or is there something else?
Subaru is not saying anything which is very
disappointing! I hope the judge forces Subaru
to disclose information.
On 1/3/2018 5:44 PM, email@example.com wrote:
I can't wait for us to be over and done with this internal combustion
engine shit, and move on to electric engines. The level of complexity of
the ICE pretty much guarantees that something must go wrong with it very
soon: moving cranks, moving pistons, moving valves, gaskets, coolants,
etc. And then let's not even speak about the complexity of the
transmission system, even a basic manual transmission is way too
complicated for its own good. Compare that to the simplicity of pretty
much just a stator and a rotor, and that's your entire electric engine.
I can't believe we've put up with this shit for the past 100 to 150 years!
I'm agnostic on whether powering it should be batteries or fuel cells,
but in both cases it's using an electric motor. You can even make fuel
cells for gasoline or diesel, rather than hydrogen or alcohol, and you
can maintain your entire existing fueling infrastructure.
On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 11:21:12 AM UTC-8, Yousuf Khan wrote:
Just imagine what would happen to the
economy if most of the garages where
to close down tomorrow.
No more engine repair shops, no more transmisssion
shops, no more emissions and fuel system repair and
testing facilities. No more engine oil and tranny
fluid change industry. No more bulky crude oil
transport- pipelines, tankers at ocean, no more
refinery and storage facilities, no more tank trucks
on highways hauling fuel. No more big retail gas
stations where fuel is securely stored and dispensed
where milions upon milions find employment.
The entire economy would utterly collapse.
Automotive industry is the king of industries
employing the most people. Up-keep, maintenance,
repairs and fueling the of the combustion engine
consist of major part of this industry.
Did I mention the retail stores selling
parts? Oh my, millions of parts stores!
A simple and reliable electric motor fueled
from an in-wall electric socket at home, or
some plug-in ATM type self-service dispenser
would be a nightmare for the economy.
Certain economic depression would ensue,
as billions upon billions of past investment
would be made suddenly unproductive, obsolete
Instant unemployment in the 20, 30 percentage
rate, perahps much higher.
Of course such transition would be gradual and
I am exaggerating here purposefully just to illustrate
that progress doesn't come easy even if marvelous
technology exists and even if government where to
mandate such transition.
On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 4:28:11 PM UTC-8, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Of course people would transfer their productivity
into other industries; would stop wasting untold
amounts of time, energy and resources on an obsolete
and super high maintenance item such as the Internal
It will happen... the gradual transition has already begun.
On 1/4/2018 7:28 PM, email@example.com wrote:
With fuel cell technology, there would still be a fuel industry,
slightly different fuels, of course. The mechanism for converting fuel
into work, would be a lot simpler in fuel cells than internal combustion
As for engine repair shops, you could say that's already happened, you
don't see as many shops specialized in radiator and cooling system
repairs anymore, for example. Even specialized muffler and exhaust
system shops are not as prevalent anymore. Same goes for brakes. These
have all become part of a more generalized repair shops now. That's
probably because these parts no longer fail as often anymore.
I'm sure there will still be lots to repair on a car even after the
conversion to electric engines. But like the type of shops I described
above, a lot of specialized shops will go away.
Power still needs to be paid for, electricity is a big business.
Horse-buggy repair shops were replaced by car repair shops, 100 years
ago. We'll replace our current horse-buggies with something more modern,
and they will still need to be repaired.
On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 10:18:22 PM UTC-8, Yousuf Khan wrote:
The good thing is that electric cars would free
untold millions of people from essentially wasting
their productive time on servicing and maintaining
an over-complex machine. The bad thing is that
this over-complex piece of machinery, the Internal
Combustion engine, allows untold millions to earn
The buggy bisness was not that developed, its
dissapearnce did not inconvienience many people.
The automobile manufacture and servicing/maintenace
related business is the king of all businesses. Two
decades ago 1 in 5 jobs in the US. economy use to
directly or indirectly arise from the auto industry.
Of course Electric would not kill all these jobs,
but more than half would be in danger.
Fuel cells with gasoline or diesel makes some sense but of course the
current environmental movement would oppose it.
The government nuts in my blue state declared natural gas exempt from
fossil fuel regulations in the state to bring in manufacturing Bloom
engineering fuel cells as an environmentally friendly source of
electricity. Of course, us taxpayers got hosed.
Yeah, batteries are made from their own variety of environmental toxins.
A hybrid battery/fuel cell technology will make the most long term
sense, as batteries can't be made much more energy dense without making
them seriously more dangerous at the same time.
But either case, electric engines are the best way to go into the
future. Goodbye bangers!
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