Battery Dead - Advice Appreciated

Hi,

My 1997 Saturn has a new battery installed 3 months ago.

I don't drive much, and it started perfectly normally the last time I drove it a week ago. (It's been a cold week with average temperature just below freezing - not too bad really).

This morning when I attempted to start it, it was completely dead. No dashboard lights were on, and it's not making any noise - as if the battery was completely dead or even disconnected.

I checked the battery connections, and they're good.

Question 1: Could a new battery drop dead like that so quickly? and do you think I need another battery or is it salvageable?

Question 2: Do you think using a battery booster pack will help jump start it? I'm trying to decide whether or not I should buy a booster to help me with this and future battery troubles.

Thanks for any tips!

Reply to
russellgoldman6
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Any battery, no matter how old or new can stop working. You could also have left on something like a small interior light, the glovebox light, trunk light, etc. A week is plenty of time for the smallest bulb to drain the battery.

If I were you, I would get a battery charger (one that plugs into a wall outlet), and charge it up. If it won't take a charge, the battery is toast. If it will, have it tested to make sure it is good. With only being 3 months old, it should still have a valid warranty.

Reply to
80Knight

Of course, it is always possible that a new battery is defective in some way, but really - it's not that common. More than likely, you have a low drain short that is sucking down your battery. To troubleshoot it, charge up the battery and hook up an ampmeter and look for drain. Pull fuses to isolate the circuit that is causing the drain, and troubleshoot from there. If that overwhelms you, then just take it to a trusted mechanic.

Reply to
Mike Marlow

Agreed, but one more point. A fully discharged battery (if that is what happened) has mainly water for electrolyte, rather than the sulfuric-acid content of a fully charged battery. Thus a discharged battery can freeze. If possible, make sure the battery is not frozen before you try to charge it. If it has removable caps, you can inspect visually. You might wait until a time of day when the temperature has been above freezing for a few hours, or move the car to a warmer spot (garage?). If it has frozen, make sure the battery case is not cracked, and thus leaking electrolyte.

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Ned Forrester

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Bob

A week is not particularly long and the battery should still be charged assuming that:1) your charging/electrical system is working properly, 2) the battery is indeed still good and the connections are clean and tight, and 3) there was no accessory inadvertently left on to discharge the system.

I'd re-check those battery connections and if they are indeed clean and tight, then I'd use a voltmeter to check the battery state. Battery terminals can "look" great, but be highly oxidized so stop working. The battery can also have an internal defect that would cause the battery post to become open and cause the symptoms you are seeing. Lastly, the ground conenction from the negative terminal can be corroded at the engine block and/or the vehicle chassis. All need to be clean and tight and this is where the voltmeter will be helpful. The fact that you have no voltage/current now should make this a breeze to troubleshoot. If everything looks OK, then re-charge the battery and see if one of the interior lights, etc. somehow got left on and ran the battery down completely. If it charges up and nothing was left on, then check the alternator since it may have dies and you may have run the battery down before parking it a week ago. Do not attempt to start the car till you get the battery back up to near as full of a charge as possible.

See comments above.

Yes, you should be able to jump the vehicle, but need to figure out the problem first. Good luck.

Reply to
Bob Shuman

There is some constant draw on the battery of a modern car. Won't get technical, but since I recently had this problem I found many instances of batteries going dead in less than a week. Best to start it every few days of so, and let it charge. You can experiment with what works best. The alternative is to buy a trickle charger and attach it when you know the car will be idle for a while. You are taking a chance of harming your dead battery by charging it with the engine, as the alternator puts out high amps. Best to slow charge at 2 amps with the charger. Check the water lever afterward and add if needed. Outside of having the battery tested at a shop with the right tools, if it starts fine every few days it's probably ok. Starting can actually draw plenty of current from it, so let it run at least until the engine is warm if you're starting just to keep it charged. Works for me. A week is about the limit I'll go without starting mine, but in cold weather maybe 3 days. But I have a small cheapo battery.

--Vic

Reply to
Vic Smith

Vic,

I do not agree with your response. Saying that a week of non-use is enough time for a fully charged automotive battery to discharge to the point the OP describes is ludicrous. Do the math and figure out what parasitic current drain (the computer, vehicle alarm, radio clock, etc.) you would need to discharge a 100 amp-hour rated lead acid battery in 168 hours. (The 100 A-H is a very conservative number for a small auto battery.)

This vehicle has a definite problem. Either someone left something on (a glove box or trunk light for example) and it drained the battery, or the alternator is no longer working properly, or the battery connections aren't clean and tight, or the 3-month old battery is defective.

We regularly don't drive two of our family vehicles very often ... typically they can sit for a month or so at a time and we've never had any problem starting them up. When I put one away for the winter in storage, I use a trickle charger to keep the battery topped off and that battery is now going on its eight year of use. (The key to battery longevity is a little luck and also keeping the battery fully charged so that it does not develop lead sulfation "disease".)

Bob

Reply to
Bob Shuman

Well, I said I wouldn't get technical, and went for the easy solution. But you might be surprised if you google this issue, as I was. Maybe you can post here some of the values of parasitic draws and do the math. Also troubleshooting methods (meters, pulling fuses, etc.) I kind of suspect a short somewhere in my car, and generally agree with what you've said. First time this has ever happened to me, and I recall starting some previous cars just fine after they sat idle for weeks. But for now I'm fine just making sure I start it once a week. If that changes or I track down a draw on the battery, I'll post that.

--Vic

Reply to
Vic Smith

Using simple math, to draw down a fully charged 100A-H capacity battery in

168 hours (1 week) to the point where "the dash lights no longer illuminate" , you'd need to draw approximately 0.6A over that entire period of time. (The current drain wouldn't actually be constant over this period of time since the voltage would slowly drop from 13.2V, but gives a pretty good estimate for this purpose.) 0.6A (=600mA) at 12V is slightly more than 7W.

I have not done the research, but would estimate the typical parasitic current at somewhere between 20 and 30mA (meaning a fully charged battery in good condition should last 10-20 weeks and still have "some" residual charge).

As I've stated previously, there is definitely a problem here if the car won't start after one week. I'd personally think this is either caused by something that was left on, corroded electrical connections, a defective battery/distribution cable, a bad battery, or a bad alternator.

Bob

Reply to
Bob Shuman

Hi Russell

A 3 month old battery is still a newborn.... I have a '95 Saturn SL1, the original AC Delco battery lasted just more than 5 years and in late

2000 I replaced it with an Energizer 700CCA battery... I test it and it's still fine after 8 years.

The question is how long was the battery on the shelf before you bought it? ...more a rhetorical question. Usually a battery should go through a recharge or test when you buy it. If you drive your car more often and have a few trips of more than 1 hour, the alternator will help to recharge it. If you do not drive often, and your trips are very short, your battery has not a good opportunity to recharge. It's likely this battery was lower on charge being on the shelf for a while. Is there a manufactured date on it?

When you checked the battery connections, did you remove them from the battery and clean both the cable connectors and battery terminals with a steel brush? Course Steel wool also helps to scrape off oxidation. Then make sure the cable go back on tightly. + then -/ground

Yes it's a good idea to buy a automatic battery charger (auto shutoff). Get one with both a trickle charge and higher current (faster) charge.... these usually include a tester in the unit too.

Cheers, Roger

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Reply to
Roger

Here's an interesting link that includes troubleshooting advice.

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--Vic

Reply to
Vic Smith

The obvious question is why did the old battery die?

Reply to
Bret

What I do to keep my battery charged up on my '01 Dodge van since I don't drive it much is go to Harbor Freight and buy a solar powered charger that plugs into your cigarette lighter. It costs around $15 and has worked great for me that last 6 months I've used it. Before if I didn't start my van every 3 weeks the battery would be dead.. Now I leave it 4-5 weeks at a time and have no problems starting it.

Newer cars need to be started every couple of weeks because of the computer.

Reply to
m6onz5a

Newer cars need to be started every couple of weeks because of the computer.

******** I used to have a lot of trouble with my older Dodge van (as apparently did the person I bought it from). Then I found that the very dim interior lights had been left on, and it was all but impossible to see. I can now leave it a lot longer than 3 weeks without problems. The measured drain when all systems are hibernating is in the order of 30 ma.
Reply to
HLS

After some good folks suggested that I might have left something turned on, I double checked and found out that I indeed left the interior light on.

I went ahead and got a booster pack (Motomaster 500A) and successfully jumpstarted the car. Left the engine running for 15 minutes, and now it seems Ok.

Thanks to all those who took the time to give me these pointers.

Reply to
russellgoldman6

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