Fords Chinese transmission wonders..

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Move one step further. Who "owns" wall street and the political "leaders"?

Hint: the people we are told in school government and government regulation protects us from.

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Brent

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thousands spent time in taxpayer funded resorts over the s&l debacle.

and that only cost us $800bn.

the current syndicate's headcount attrition can still be counted on the fingers of one hand, and the financial liabilities are still climbing - if you count fannie and freddie, we're in excess of $15tn already.

you can't fault them for not learning from the mistakes of those s&l amateurs!

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jim beam

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It's Ford's program to move people over to their great new automatic transmissions. With one-third of the Mustang users opting for the standard, they've got a lot of work on their hands. The Mustang owners that prefer to shift themselves are probably die-hards that are tough nuts to crack but Ford's off to a great start. :-)

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Back then there were still people in government high enough that weren't bought off. The natural criminality of government has only grown since then.

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I don't care. The new mustangs look awful.

Greg

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Hey, they saved a few bucks, stockholders are happy, that's what's important.

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I think they would just force us into paddle shifting ;)

All kidding aside I don't think a western owned/operated factory in China would be that bad for a critical warrantied hard drive train piece. While these sort of factories have their problems, I don't think the fallout would be anywhere near what is implied. Modern factories run by companies with experienced people usually wouldn't go that bad. A contractor/supplier's plant in China, absolutely, but the ones that have familiar names on them, no where near as bad typically.

I've been looking into the problem on the forums etc attempting to read through the noise, which there is a lot of. Way more noise than anything else. I've got some ideas trying to read through this, but they are just educated guesses given what I am working with so I'd rather not post it as to not add to the noise. But I will say I think we are looking at multiple factors coming together.

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abso-freakin-lutely. if it's done right anyway. not something you can trust with any frod product, but in principle, paddle is the way to go.

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jim beam

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I agree- it is 69-70 all over again. They took the pretty clean retro design of the post-Fox Mustang, and made it look bloated.

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I have a Sonata with one of those + and - shifter gates. They're stupid. :-)

The Chinese can put out a quality product/component or trash. It all depend on the company doing the ordering. They're the ones responsible for the level of quality. I was surprised that my iPad was made in and shipped from China. It's a beautiful piece. Probably the most remarkably manufactured item that I have in my household. The body is milled from a solid block of aluminum alloy.

The workers of the US are capable of assembling quality cars or junk cars. My Hyundai was built in Montgomery Alabama and I'm very happy with the build quality.

OTOH, I suppose that we should wait to find out why these transmissions are failing before assigning blame.

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dsi1

how does that help??? even if it's a "consumer problem", then it's still a manufacturer problem because it needs to be robust enough to cope. if it's not a consumer problem, it's a manufacturer problem and they need to fix it. real simple.

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jim beam

Ford's gonna have to fix the problem, the folks on this newsgroup however will be making all kinds of speculations and assigning blame all over the place. My suggestion is that we don't do that. Real simple.

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if you want driving in the real world to be like driving in a video game, sure....

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Brent

Transmissions can catch you out in obvious ways like incorrect tolerances & gear hardening - and not obvious ways like casting defects which means you are on a hiding to nothing. Even the Japanese turned out defective gearbox housings.

Adding China to the mix can impose problems of language, lack of technical understanding and in particular what is critical for a reliable product. Hands-off outsourcing to china hits the "sample correct, production junk". Detailed involvement with China is critical so you get what you specify AND you need to specify everything even if you think it does not matter because it actually might! This is usually where people get deeper understanding of their product :-)

China wage inflation is going to cool its attraction eventually, then you get to meet Indian management who modelled themselves on the worst attributes of the UK Civil Service. The pendulum has not got much further to swing to China, contrary to appearances.

The politicians? They are worse than Goldman Sachs will ever be... fundamental lack of vision, of management, of drive, of restructuring and of getting the cost off business & peoples back. Too much socialism, too much emphasis on assuming finance profits can pay for welfare when it is a one way ticket to a dead-end whilst those with the bonuses and politicians get to keep the proceeds and the taxpayer the bill. USA needs to close the door on lobbyists for two decades, it needs a new Abraham Lincoln to bluntly state where it is, where it needs to be, and get it there.

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js.b1

The Chinese folks have some things down pat, like PC board fab. Some other things they don't have down and sadly that seems to include consistent metallurgy.

However, Ford did some reasonable things. They contracted the thing out to Getrag, an old-line European company that has traditionally made very good products. And, of course, this is a manual transmission which is not a high-tech product that is difficult to make. So contracting it abroad would not seem like a total disaster.

It appears that it's not just one failure mode either, but multiple failures taking place.

--scott

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Scott Dorsey

I have to deal with the Chinese constatly. Nice folks who mostly don't give a damn about quality. Or maybe I should say quality takes about fifth place in their production schemes. Cheap and fast are number 1 and 2. I think Golden Week, Chinese New Year and a good lunch are 3, 4, and 5.

Ed

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C. E. White

but only because we shipped all of OUR board fab facilities out there. and it's mostly automated so it's hard to screw up.

you're right on so far, but i think you should understate that bit one more time, just for emphasis.

contracting to the chinese is a disaster. they will not let you use their slaves unless you hand over all your technology. and while you might get a brief period of return where they ship you stuff for cheap, next thing you know, they're using all your patterns, all your technology, and all your ideas to make knock-offs at 1/3 the price. ask tektronix about chinese oscilloscopes. ask motorola. ask goodyear...

you may as well show up in a dark alley with a baseball bat, hand it to the nearest thug, then bend over. then later in the e.r. tell the doctor, "i can't understand why my ass hurts so much".

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that's most likely poor materials. single failure mode is usually design. and the chinese can't make steel or aluminum for shit.

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jim beam

Except this is not a chinese supplier (and what you stated is correct for that). This is a Gertag(Jiangxi)/Ford joint plant. It appears from their website to be as I expected where the components to the transmission are made in house. This is really the best that made-in-China can be from a company-set-up point of view. It would be better in the US or Germany but it is not nightmarish made-in-China either.

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Brent

You forgot 'bus is leaving, time to go home'. (a favorite of former co-workers who when they were in China key people in the factory would just up and go home in the middle of trying to solve a problem)

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Brent

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