Re: Toyota loses its way

Chill dude. I can go with your flow. The so-called 3 year "dependability study" is meaningless. What are they thinking with all that fancy statistical stuff? They could just ask the car salesmen at the dealerships. Or ask you to do a quick boneyard finger count to get an answer. Heck, just ask you what's dependable, even if you're wearing mittens. Keep numbers out of that part in case you miscount. Then put what you say in the list. And why fool around with 3 years when you can do 10 years? After all, lots of people buy 10 year old cars. Right? Why didn't I think of that before? Beats me. Just my dumb nature, probably. Hey, I got an idea. You take over from JDPower. JBeam - The 10-Finger Statistical Expert and Boneyard Car-Counter. That should work.

In message , jim beam writes

You've obviously never subscribed to "Which?" But you should be able to get a taste of what they're like from their web site. Because the don't work alone they do test hundreds of cars as the work is shared with other consumer magazines across Europe, and they also send out questionnaires to their readership but they don't pay for them, otherwise they'd get back what people thought they wanted to hear instead of the truth.

That Ford pickup truck that Top Gear Jeremy Clarkson tried out, he said something to the effect, the steering is loose.I Say BULLCRAP!, any American name brand, made in America vehicles he has ever driven before are the Best vehicles in the World! You can not beat Detroit Iron! cuhulin

i think you only have one finger. or is it thumb.

I am not anti-Toyota.Toyota will recover and no doubt be better than ever.There is a Nissan factory near me, about twenty something miles North of doggy's couch.But, I won't buy a Nissan.I prefer Detroit Iron.That Nissan factory (Nissan corp in Japan) wanted to fly their rice flag above that factory.That idea of theirs got shot down Big Time. cuhulin

"Which" looks similar to Consumer Reports, which is the long-time - and sometimes disputed - standard measuring device used by those who let magazines select their cars for them in the U.S. They also use their subscribers to measure older cars. It's been pointed out numerous times in these newsgroups that CR and JDPower "track well" against each other. I've never verified that.

In message , Bob Cooper writes

Consumer Reports and JD Power, on this side of the pond are frequently very different

Well, I did it three times in one day, quite often. Never had a problem.

Then again, I made sure the ATF was correct and at the correct level.

Are these the "Initial Quality Surveys"? Any new car I get better pass one of these, because they're conducted within three months of buying a car.

If a car can't pass one of these in 90 days, the automaker needs to go out of business.

But, the governemt shored up GM, didn't they?

Sure Whatever you say. Putz.

Real world tests by someone who likes Toyotas for a reason.

In message , snipped-for-privacy@webtv.net writes

Clarkson makes interesting and sometimes provocative programmes, but he's no ones fool, and as most cars are made in the market where they built, (Honda in Japan for the Japanese) Honda in Europe for Europeans and Honda in America for Americans, so the cars can be tailored to the prevailing market. He's most probably comparing an American car against a European one in which case he'll be right.

In message , snipped-for-privacy@webtv.net writes

It's quite funny to see so many people upset over a bit of cloth fluttering in the wind.

you should cross-post to .frod, .gm, etc...

LOL! I don't REALLY want to piss anyone off! I have seen Fords and GMs go like this, too, but they are far between!

Buick does seem to be a pretty good car with the 3.8 as their foundation, Pontic was also a fairly decent brand (but got killed off by Obungler Motors) but that would be about all I would own.

Fords actually have a better track record as long as you stay away from their 3.8 liter...

Government Motors and Government Chrysler Motors. Ford is doing better and Better and BETTER,,,,,,,,,,,, cuhulin

the bottle marked "reality" that makes me call a spade a spade? you need to give up the bottle marked "self delusion is indistinguishable from gullibility".

oh, the guy that claims he can damage a toyota transmission with a full-throttle shift is not a desperate troll - no siree!

A lot of the Detroit Iron vehicles I see running around town are twenty and thirty years old, some of them are even older.Funny, I don't see any foreign name brands of vehicles that old running around.Some of my neighbors on the street I live on and the few other streets in my little neighborhood are driving Detroit Iron vehicles that are at least fifteen to twenty years old. cuhulin