The 10 least safe cars of all time

You certainly are a princess of bullshit.

Name calling is not an argument. Please learn some automotive history.

Perhaps you'd prefer prince? In any case the concepts of classical physics, logic, govenment, law ... are quite obviously lost on you as they're farther over your head than is the exosphere

whatsoever worthy of reading.

Well GM and Nader reached a settlement wherein he was paid a large sum of money. And Nader was instrumental in leading folks like Ed to the conclusions they have drawn. Those are the facts and your claim that it bears no resemblance to the facts is a bit hollow.

I wasn't talking about what was in the book. We are talking about public perception. The public didn't read the book either.

Detroit didn't consider the attacks on the reputation of their small cars to be a detriment. The Corvair and Pinto were both popular car models that became unpopular in big hurry. Whether Detroit actively assisted in their demise or just let it happen makes very little difference in the end. It was a strategy that was only partially successful.

And the redesigned models were on the road before Nader published.

If they are 'unsafe at any speed' I'll just drive fast then!

That GM paid him a large sum (the money from this case allowed him to lobby for consumer rights, leading to the creation the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the Clean Air Act, among other things) is true, but for reasons which you have carefully, deceptively and pathetically avoided and remarks which you cowardly elected to truncate from your selectively edited non-responsive reply - those reasons being GM's invasion of his privacy and not for your stated excuse that "GM paid Ralph Nader something like a million dollars to deliver the message that the basic VW bug design was unsafe at any speed" as you so falsely claimed.

Irrespective of how often you continue this approach and repeat these same lies, they will remain just that.

Precious few books written in my lifetime have been more historic, were responsible for saving more lives or initiated an international consumer awareness.

More meaningless, non-responsive drivel.

Please do so at your earliest convenience and at the highest rate of speed you can possibly attain (think 'cliff'), which should suffice quite nicely.

My Corsa can't get much past 125mph. Too bad.

Quite evidently you don't begin to understand the fundamentals of classical mechanics, either that or (unless you're a flatlander) you suffer from a debilitative reading comprehension issue.

So you're religious, no wonder you're disregarding facts.

Wrong yet again (what a surprise, eh), I'm an avowed atheist.

The point went right over your head, which is not shocking in the least. It's pretty clear what you worship.

"Portnoy" wrote in news:idlgqp$3af$ snipped-for-privacy@speranza.aioe.org:

By the time that book was published, Chrysler had been installing seat belts by default, unless the buyer specifically deleted them from the options list. The other makers probably did the same.

It was yellow journalism. Nader took much of his material from studies done by Stanford University. Stanford publicly distanced themselves from the book, saying that Nader had made a misleading hash of their work.

The engineers clearly recognized the need for safety features, and had been designing their cars to include more and more of them as time went on. The primary impediment was the public itself, as Ford found to its chagrin in the late-'50s.

Might I add Lady in Waiting of Innuendo in addition to Princess of Bullshit.

Please post again IFF you should EVER have anything of value to contribute.

If you say so, clownboy.

While that may be true for the Corvair after the Nader book, I don't think the same can be siad for the Pinto. Ford sold Pintos for a decade with realtively few upgrades. I'd say Ford jsut milked the Pinto until it was celarly obsolete compared to more modern cars from competitors. I suppose the Mother Jones hatchet job may have affected sales some, but I don't think you can blame the ultimate demise of the Pinto on safety conerns. I'd argue the Pinto died of obsolecence.

Ralph nader is lying creep. I imagine GM was jsut trying to prove he was in the pay of trail lawyers.

Ed

Do kindly read and take to heart my remarks here as they're offered most sincerely: news:idm1de$jf2$ snipped-for-privacy@speranza.aioe.org...

Portnoy wrote: > Do kindly read and take to heart my remarks > here as they're offered most sincerely: > news:idm1de$jf2$ snipped-for-privacy@speranza.aioe.org... > >

Your top-posted link doesn't go anywhere.

Perhaps a tall glass of NaderAde?