What did Toyota know, and when did they know it?

Right. It's GM's fault.

Let's try this:

It almost seems the NUMMI experiment backfired, and instead of Toyota teaching GM how to build a quality, reliable vehicle, GM taught Toyota how to lie and cheat...?

Help any?

BTW, I just heard on the radio, a spokesman for GM saying, "We have ALWAYS complied with recall guidelines..."

ROFLMAO!!! RIGHT!!!!

Here's where at least half the blame belongs. Ignore "bailout hearings" and extrapolate to ANY situation where elected barnacles are entangled with corporations.

In message , Hachiroku writes

Just what happened to Daimler and Chrysler, Daimler thought they could boot-strap Chrysler into a maker of reliable cars for the American market, instead Chrysler pulled Daimler down to it's level, now after a messy divorce, Daimler's reliability is seriously in question and they're having to through a lot of money at building reliability and prestige again.

Pictures don't match, but is this the article?

Yes. Mind control and flouridated water are terrible when used for destructive purposes. Even when the source is a relatively small production line in California, the tenacles of evil can rapidly spread, encompassing the earth in a surprisingly short time. I recommend bringing all water to a rapid boil for at least 3 minutes, and the wearing of a tin-foil cap when near strangers. A 2000 mile check of precious bodily fluids is also a good precaution.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in news:BGSgn.21785$e% snipped-for-privacy@newsfe08.iad:

That's it!

I predict 3-5 years down the road, Toyota cars will be rated better and longer lasting than ever before. They will not only change base component quality but how they approach problems before they are issues.

It will be an honest investigation, but finding a cause to issues that even Steve Wozniak, Apples founder declared and was ignored on will be hard to pinpoint, Wozniak says its software, but is it from RF, microwave, sunspots? I dont know but a temporary glitch can be impossible to find.

Youa re going to have to explain to me how Chrysler pulled Daimler down to it's level. I don't think Daimler sent a bunch of Chrysler managers to Germany to run things. Given the attitude of Germans I have worked with think, I think it is highly unlikely (impossible) that Daimler adopted any Chryler proceedures for building or evaluating vehicles. I've always liked German cars - at least when new. And a lot of the hard mechaical parts are excellent. But German electronics...well they suck. And since modern cars that are so heavily dependent on electronics, is it any surprise that German cars, particualrly older German cars, are having lots of problems?

In Germany there are very few cars older than 8 years. German attitudes and German laws make it unpopular/impractical to keep cars much past eight years. So I think I can understand why 10 year old BMWs in the US always seem to have tail light out, burned up alternators, and power windows that don't work.

Ed

What I have yet to figure out is WHY all the Toyota fans point fingers at the other makes as being the problem.

The way I see this situation is simple.

Toyota has a problem, A recall is issued, Toyota recalls the cars.

It comes to light that Toyota MAY have know there were problems long before the recall and tried to hide the problem from the consumers.

Now they are being investigated for the possibility that they hid the problem and it cost lives.

What I read on this group though is that REGARDLESS OF THE ABOVE it isn't any fault of Toyota. It has been said "It is because of stupid people who confuse the gas pedal and the brake" Or that "It is the fault of using the wrong floor mat" Or that the press is just "going after Toyota because they are foreign owned"

Then there are the group who say "Why are you picking on Toyota, when GM, Ford, (insert car maker here) do the same thing and they don't get thrown to the wolves like this".

I also see people talking about the GM intake manifold problem being the same thing and why doesn't that get attention like this. The answer is REAL easy. The intake manifold problem hasn't KILLED PEOPLE!

ALL makers have had and will continue to have problems. From the very first production car until the extinction of mankind there will be problems. The more crap added to the vehicle the worse it will get AND the harder it will be to solve.

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I was busy.

Go right ahead. I'm sure those with similar inclinations as yours will enjoy it.

I looked it up. Japanese term for a car. No interest beyond that. You may wish to rattle on about it. So you use a Japanese term - as your usenet name. Quibble all you want, fanboy. BTW, if you called youself Pierogi, I'd take that as a Polish affectation, even though it means stuffed dumpling.

Right. As you've stated, - what, a hundred times by now? Doesn't bother me, I'm not writing it.

Seems you're the one who is disturbed by my postings. You are quite welcome to put me in your bin. But you're nuttier than I thought if you think I need, or would heed any advice from you. Unless it's useful. Haven't seen that. Just the typical fanboyism I've seen for years on usenet. Carry on.

Not really, They want to clear them out because the Cobalt is being replaced with the Cruze.

The HHR was never sold as a performance vehicle though. It is only the hotter version that is sold as such.

hachiroku - Nickname for the AE86 chassis under the Corolla and Sprinter

At one time high mileage was a big deal, it isn't any longer. You will be hard pressed to find properly maintained vehicles that don't turn

100K trouble free. The only vehicle I have ever owned that didn't make 100k was a POS Dodge Omni. The engine started eating oil at about 60K and it would have cost more to rebuild/replace it than the car was worth. The only other problem child was a Dodge Sprinter that just LOVED front brakes and hubs, new ones every 30K like clockwork. It was a company vehicle and the rest of the fleet had the same problems. The company now runs Ford E series.

Right. Just as you will. You remind me of Mike Hunter, except he doesn't repeat himself so often. And he seems a bit younger than you. Might be a wrong impression. But you certainly seem from your posts to have vast auto experience. Even more than Mike. I really like the ten or 15 times you've recounted not getting that HHR. Can you tell that story again? Almost seems that all your car experience has gifted you with the ability to actually motormouth. Oh, HHR, Corolla, Accura. 12 each. Many miles. Excellent quality. Great in the twistys. Some car stuff for you. Didn't mean to be too technical.

In message , C. E. White writes

You're totally uneducated about Europe then. It's the Italian cars that have very unreliable electrics. Bosch has an enviable name in all things electronic and cars are no exception. May-be you're thinking about some American factory that is turning out Bosch supplies, over there with locally sourced rubbish parts.

Toyota Still Looking For Sudden-Acceleration Answers.

Something about electromagnetic.Someday, people might be traveling in electromagnetic cars on electromagnetic rails. Wait, some Trains are already doing that. cuhulin

Yup. They are not going to take this lieing down. Expect them to come back stronger than ever.

And if they don't, they are probably toast in the US.

News Flash from this morning: GM is recalling 1,200....

WORKERS to increase production of smaller cars. Hmmm....Open bashing of Toyota in the Mainstream Media, followed by Government Motors calling in more workers to try to pick up the slack Toyota sales are going to put in the market?

I think the LAST place I would go looking for a replacement for my Toyota would be GM! I want a BETTER car!!! Remember the Vega? Nice car, but horrible manufacturing. Citation? Interesting design, horrible manufacturing. Chevette? The "Corolla Fighter"? Miserable exection of a design that, at the time, should have been a market leader.

Subaru, here I come!

You really don't know much except a bunch of smart-ass retorts, do you?