And Toyota has very few. This one is being handled right. They do not
know yet what is causing the problem, and from what I hear they do not
even know FOR SURE if there IS a problem with the vehicle as it leaves
They stopped building to avoid having a pile of cars on the lot that
need retrofitting, and they have not laid off ONE PERSON on account of
the layoff. The dealers may not do as well ----
It's going to be interesting to find out what they DO eventually find.
Wrong! Toyota's trying to spin it that way, but it was NOT a voluntary
recall. It was ordered by NHTSA under Chapter 301 of the Motor Safety Code.
Worse yet, USA Today reported that Toyota's known of this problem for THREE
WOW I can hear the shark lawyers like John Edwards on TV, already. "Do you
own any of the following Toyota models year 19XX to 20YY? Were you hurt or
a family member hurt of killed driving one that ran away? Toyota KNEW they
were killers but kept selling them. We can get you the money you deserve."
Call "Dewey, Chetem and Howe. PC LLC." (Not available in N. Carolina or
Yeah! How dare those evil law firms try to get compensation for losses
due to the criminal negligence of corporations! Don't they know that
simply cuts into the CEO's compensation?
On 1/27/2010 8:37 PM, Mike Hunter wrote:
Seems the Americans don't know how to drive as well as canadians,
because although there have been reports of sticking throttles in
Canada there have not only been no DEATHS attributed to it here, but
also NO ACCIDENTS - According to Toyota Canada
ALSO - the latest information.
In a filing with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration,
Toyota said the latest problem was in the pedal sensors of affected
vehicles. When the heater is turned on in a car that is cold, internal
water condensation on the cold parts can cause a sliding component
inside the gas pedal assembly to stick instead of move smoothly. The
defect may cause the throttle to stick in an open position or to move
stiffly during opening and closing, requiring more pedal pressure.
This re-enforces my opinion that it is a materials issue - with the
damper material (quite possibly nylon) swelling from moisture
absorption and binding up.
This SLIDING COMPONENT is a damper, like a dash-pot or shock absorber
to prevent the throttle from snapping closed quickly when released, to
more closely mimic the action of a mechanical linkage.
The pedal sensor is part of a so-called drive-by-wire throttle system,
in which the gas pedal has no direct connection to the engine through
a cable or mechanical linkage.
The only way Sudden throttle opening could occur is if the driver
ignored the stiffening pedal and STOMPED on it to overcome the
resistance of the damper,
SO --- ALL of the sffected vehicles are drive-by wire throttles - and
it IS a material problem. The Denso pedals made in Japan are OK, the
CTS pedals made in anad and the USA are all suspect.
This is totally unrelated to the earlier problem which caused the
Lexus crash in California - which was floormat related and NOT EVEN A
The vehicle n question had a set of allseason mats from a TOTALLY
DIFFERENT VEHICLE thrown in loosly OVER TOP of the correct standard
floor mats (which are anchored to the floor to prevent interference
with the pedal)
The vehicle in question was Japanese built with the Denso pedal, which
is NOT affected by the problem, or the recall.
Toyota IS recalling vehicles to check/remedy floor mat issues - and it
APPEARS the new pedal assembly will have more floor clearance (a
shorter pedal) to help reduce the chance of floormat interference.
Oh please, give me a friggin' break... What are you going to hit? I
F!@ing moose?!?! "mah car took off and slid into a ditch, eh???
Spilled mah damn Molsen swill all over the dash, don' ya know!"
....And how can you be taken seriously with that comment when you call
us "Americans", and yourselves "canadians"? At least we know we're
supposed to capitalize the first letter. Hate this elitist crap.
"Come on and try America / American bashing - it's the latest fad!"
...and by the way - This line is complete bullshit. The problem was
found in both drive-by-wire AND mechanical throttles. In addition, the
company that made the suspect parts is *gasp* NOT American. The
Japanese used a company - dare I say? - in CHINA. Ford halted
production of a vehicle yesterday they make in CHINA, not because they
had problems, but because it used throttle parts from the same CHINESE
factory and until the problem is worked out they don't want a similar
problem. This is why the recall by Toyota has been expanded into
Europe. It has NOTHING to do with American parts, idiot.
So get off your elitist ass, take your head out of it (and the snowshoe
out your mouth) and get your facts straight.
From the Financial Post "CTS, which has supplied Toyota with auto
parts since 2005, has annual sales of about US$600-million. Toyota
makes up about 3% of its sales and the pedals make up almost all of
its business with Toyota, said Mr. Walorski.
Mr. Walorski said CTS is aware of eight incidents in which a pedal it
made got stuck in a Toyota vehicle. None of those incidents led to an
accident, injury, or a sudden burst of acceleration, he said."
CTS manufactures auto parts in Elkhart, Canada, Scotland, the Czech
Republic, Mexico, Taiwan and China.
I WAS mistaken - all of the affected Toyota parts have been, and the
replacements will be, made in Mississauga (Streetsville) Ontario.
Check your facts. The company is headquartered in the USA. Indiana I
believe. The parts are made in 3 American and one Canadian plant.
ALL the affected vehicles are Drive By Wire on THIS recall. The
floormat recal is a totally different issue.
How often have we heard from the Toyota loyalist, who love to cross post in
domestic brand NGs, tell us Toyota cares more for it buyers than do the
According to news reports, it will take Toyota several MONTHS to get all of
the replacement linkages from it supplier, for the millions of vehicles
involved in the recall, into the cars on the road being driven by its
customers, who will need them.
Guess where Toyota is going to actually use the parts that their customer
NEED? They will be used first for unsold new cars on the dealerships
lots, then on the Toyotas in their assembly plants storage lots.
As you drive down the road, keep an eye open for drunks, those texting and
runway Toyotas. ;)
Funny, Toyota is helping out GM Vibe customers. LMAO.
On 30/01/2010 10:48 AM, Mike Hunter wrote:
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