Ford over Toyota?

"dh" ...

Owned.

LOL

Natalie

Most EU people are socialists...(like the Dim party in America...now).

They are fat, dumb and lazy as a rock....

Right.....

People that changed their oil....did not have the problem.

A friend of mine bought his daughter a used Camry. She didn't change the oil very often. The car developed sludge.

Sludge....caused by owners that did not change their oil.

I noticed my son's new Corolla has an idiot light that goes off after

So the Studebaker and the Nash Rambler both had lousy GM 3-speeds? Gaak. My dad used to complain about the three-on-the-tree in the Chevy II. When it was new, it would jump out of 3d gear just at random. When it got older, it would get stuck in 1st, and Dad would have to pull off the road, pop the hood and go jiggle the plates. Incidentally we sold that car to someone that already owned a 66 Ford. They said the Chevy II would start in the winter when the Ford wouldn't!

Charles of Schaumburg

I am not sure you can treat it like that. 35% of what? If a brand averaged 35 problem per 100 cars, you could say that 35% of the cars had 1 problem, or 17.5% had 2 problems, or 1% had 35 problems. You could compare the number of problems Ford had per 100 cars (120) to Toyota (112) and say on average a Toyota had 7% fewer problems than Ford or that an average Ford had 107% as many problems as an average Toyota. Or compare both to the overall average and say the average Ford had 4% fewer problems than the average new car and the average Toyota had 10% fewer problems than the average new car. And then you could say that the average new Ford was only 6% more likely to have a problem than the average new Toyota. JD Powers doesn't give enough information to establish the statistical validity of the numbers, but I am guessing the margin of error is probably at least 5%. So it is entirely possible all the mass market brands are in a statistical dead heat. And since Mercury (113) has essentially the same rating as Toyota (112), it seems likely that Ford and Toyota are even closer than the results indicated, at least for cars. I also think it is interesting that Lincoln seems to do so much better than Ford or Mercury. Except for the Town Car, all of the other Lincoln products are built on the same assembly lines by the same people that are building the Fords and Mercury's. I suppose the dealer might give them additional checks before delivery, but I am not sure that is the case.

Ed

So only Toyota owners don't change their oil like the manual says? My SO's late 80's Camry had a 10,000 mile oil change interval. The sludge prone vehicles had a 7,500 mile oil change interval. Now Toyota has dropped it to 5000 miles. Yet, over that same period the quality of the oil has improved. You can blame it on poor maintenance practices, and I won't disagree, but it still seems to me that Toyota had a problem that most (but certainly not all) other manufacturers did not have. To me this comes under the heading of foreseeable miss-use. Maybe it is not fair, or right, but companies are often hauled into court because someone miss-used a product with bad results. If Toyota had a line in the maintenance manuals that said replace the ball joints after 25,000 miles, and you didn't and one failed at 30,000 miles, would you think that was OK?

Ed

or one car had all the problems reported (so if 1000 Lincoln owners were surveyed, maybe on car had all 350 problems reported).

One could reasonably safely estimate that the percent of cars with problems with 35 problems per 100 cars is around 30 to 35%.

But it would be silly to say this reflects that 2% of cars have problems, as Mike does.

In addition, it is fair to say that if there are 35 problems in 100 cars, that that is a failure rate of 35%.

Jeff

You must realize by now that not every owner performs the proper preventive maintenance LOL

mike

You mean like when I said the Toyotas and Lexus' I've owned where great cars? LOL

mike

That was made abundantly clear with the sludge scam.

The people that didn't change their oil got sludged engines.

DUH! You are commenting in AUTOMOTIVE NGs. I don't go into teachers union NGs to comment LOL

mike

You mean like in the various surveys that report problem per hundred statically? You do the math, you are the 'teacher,' I don't do homework for others. Hint: The average among ALL brands is less than 2% LOL

mike

You say that once again, as you have always have in response to Toyotas sludge problem, but even Toyota does not agree with your opinion. Toyota only extend the warranty, for sludge prone engines after the "gelling," as they call, it began to show up in engines serviced properly at their dealerships.

mike

Our friend Jeff should be happy his students are not following this thread LOL

mike

But I do not work in the auto industry. Nor do I assume anyone else does.

And you said this when?

If you did say that, it was certainly redundant (we all know it's the case). Whether or not it was irrelevant would depend on the context.

Maybe you should hie yourself off to the local middle school and get an explanation of how to compute percentages.

Thanks goodness. If you did, their grades would drop.