I love Chevy (that's what my dad mostly bought), but you
gotta hand it to Toyota. They've done a yeoman's job.
The GM and Toyota figures will all be released at about
1:30 PM Eastern today--65 minutes away..
Cars with the Toyota brand name on the grill has been the number one selling
"Brand" of cars for two years, but GM sell far more cars than Toyota or
anyone else for that matter. It is just that they have more than on brand
name on the grill.
Well, if you're right, then the commentators on the CNBC business
channel were wrong last night. They said the Chevy brand still
outsells the Toyota brand in the U.S., but just barely.
When we, instead, talk about Toyota overtaking GM, we're usually
talking about world-wide sales, not U.S. alone.
Mike, you know I like you because you're a smart, Black Jew who does not
ridicule Jesus like so many other Jews do. I'm being serious and
respectful to you, here--not flippant.
But I have to disagree with you again.
We weren't talking about who the //number one *car* brand// in the U.S.
is. We all know the Camry is the best-selling *car* in the U.S.A. So
Toyota is not lying.
We're talking about the best-selling brand (period) for all vehicles:
cars, trucks, SUVs...
And the number one brand is still Chevy, barely edging out the "Toyota"
brand, so said the CNBC fellows whose credibility and reputations are on
the line (hundreds of thousands or millions of viewers nationwide).
Now, the "Toyota" brand Sales Figure they're talking about probably does
not include Scion and Lexus.
So Chevrolet still is the best-selling brand in America...barely.
Let's regroup. I never said Toyota was lying. While the press likes to
point to monthly sales figures as reported to the US Department of Commerce,
the industry looks at Model year sales and the total sales, year to date,
from the past year. Toyota has been advertising the Camry as the best
selling car in the US ever since they stopped selling the Solara as a
separate brand and made it a model of the Camry. Toyota has been
advertising "Toyota" as the best selling car "brand" in the US model, all of
which is true. But Toyota is not the number one seller of cars in the US.
GM sells more cars, and far more trucks than Toyota, but with different
brand names on the grill. Camry, while it is the number one car, it is not
the number one selling vehicle in the US. The Ford F150 is the best selling
individual model in the US, and has been for 29 years, selling at a rate
nearly double that of the Camry, in the US. The Silverado is number two,
also at nearly double the Camry sales, and the Dodge Ram number three in
sales, year to date. Camry is number four. The Ford "F Series" is the
number one truck "brand" but again GM sell more trucks in the US but not
under the same brand name. Nearly half of all the vehicles sold in the US
are light trucks and GM sells more trucks alone than Toyota sells cars and
You need to call your nearest GM regional rep as soon as possible and
explain what's going on. I bet if what you are saying is true and you
explain that your local dealer is trying to charge you 400 dollars for
a 20 cent part, and that you are considering buying a Toyota next
time, he'll be more than glad to help you.
I phoned GM Canada. The lady on the phone, after hearing the details,
explained that the van was out of warranty (distance, not months, as if
that should affect a radio) and asked "what are you expecting GM to do"?
I said that I just wanted a radio with a display that worked for the
duration of my lease, and if I have to finish out my lease with a bum
radio, they can forget calling me to ask if I'm ready to get into a new
I subsequently shopped around and found that some radio shops advertise
that they can fix GM radio display problems for as little as $50, so it
appears that GM is too lazy to even set up something like that to keep a
customer, so they can forget about me getting into a 3rd vehicle from them.
You are making the erroneous assumption that Toyota's never suffer
from the same sort of display failure. The same people that will fix
your GM Radio for $50 will fix your Toyota radio for $75.
My car-buying history:
83 Tercel - no problems
85 Corolla - no problems
87 Celica - power antenna rusted/seized
93 Caravan - lots of A/C problems. Compressor and engine computer failed
98 Windstar - no problems
01 Montana - transmission blew up @ 16,000 km, needed new head gasket
05 Montana - multiple problems with radio
While the Ford was problem-free, the other big 3 all had major problems.
Not so with my Toyotas.
If you want to save jobs in Detroit, stand behind what you build for at
least 100,000 km, not the crappy 60,000 basic warranty.
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