TDA, Holdback, & WFR

Happened to me on holdback (not sure what the other are) -- I agree with your logic!

typically, if the vehicle is not sold after 30days from delivery, interest from their bank kicks in.

if you can see the VIR on the VIN you are after, you can haggle out a few dealer costs that they get back, but not all because some are true dealer costs just to be in business.

i believe Toyota holdback is 4% of MSRP.

if you can get it for $500-$1200 over dealer invoice (dealer invoice minus holdback + [500-1200]) you got a good deal. i prefer to buy only from the honest dealer even if that means i'm paying the high end of over-invoice. honest dealers are hard to find.... if they won't show you the VIR for the VIN, shop another dealer, it's that simple... never believe "sold under invoice" crap, that's never the case !!

Scott, technically, its really none of your buisness. These are confidential prices and unless you are a dealer, it doesnt include you. All you need to be concerend in the final price you negotiate. Be it below cost etc.

No, its less than that.

I've got twenty seven thousand dollars that makes it's my business! Last I heard the government wasn't putting "confidential" stamps on VIRs.

No, its not your buisness, your buisness is to negotiate a final selling price, what the dealer paid for it, profits etc. is none of your buisness. If you want to make it your buisness, why dont you take that