Cost of maintenance & Learning Curve Question...

On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:06:12 -0400, "ilambert" scribbled this interesting note:

This too is very funny! Take a look at some of the cars we are talking about here! Ever seen the "daily driver's" some of the people here own and operate? I have. Some of them first person! And with no exceptions would I ever characterize any of them as being cheap to own and/or operate, no matter what condition they are in! From a 1950 trailer queen to a mid seventies ACVW, non of them are easy to own, take tons of maintenance (not restoration, not repairs, but MAINTAINENCE, there is a vast difference between all of these activities!), and that means money and/or sweat equity (know what that is???)

When I was in college I bought an eight year old car. it was a 1976 Toyota Celica GT. It had just under 100,000 miles when I bought it. I stopped driving that car a few years ago with just under a quarter million miles on the car and drive train (I replaced the transmission once. Why? Because the original transmission developed a bearing whine and I decided it would be easier to replace it with a used one from the junk yard rather than have that one repaired.) I drove more than one or two sets of tires off that car. I used up two or three clutches. I did most all the work on that car myself. It was far easier to work on that car than any ACVW I've ever had (and I've had a few, over a number of years, in addition to working on other's), especially when you think of all the periodic work cars require. The water-cooled Toyota required far less work. It required far less attention. Mostly all it required was driving. And it too was very fun to drive!

Right now, the '59 Beetle in the driveway needs a little attention. What kind? Off the top of my head here's a partial list: (and I won't even go into what the other ACVWs, three Type 1's, in the drive way need!:~) Valves adjusted. Oil changed. Timing checked and adjusted as needed. Lights checked for ground issues (yeah, I know I went over this car for that a while back, but it never hurts to check again.) New passenger door rubber installed (the original rubber is old. It needs replacing.) New fixed window seals installed (I hope I don't break any glass on re-installation.) New wiper blades (the replacements I put in were crap rubber. Anyone know where I can find better?) New battery pan (what is in it right now is a piece of wood! I have the replacement I just need the time to cut the old out and weld in the new!) Wheel rims restored. New tires (I'm still driving on the tires that came with the car! Gotta' love bias ply tires!:~) Minor rust repair. A body to pan bolt drilled out and replace. New body to pan bushings installed. Front end repair work (this one is a biggie. I just haven't rounded up the parts yet and I drive the car very carefully!:~) New brake adjusting clips installed and brakes adjusted. And if I'm feeling extra frisky I need to prep and paint the car as well!:~)

And all this is on a car that I drive most any time I feel like it! And this is just the list off the top of my head and fails to include any of the other additional items that will turn up as work progresses!

Here's another place to start reading...

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Ok, it's a sign you eat waaaaay too much fast food when you know the diameter of the straws from two establishments are different !! LOL

Susan (who's known on a first name basis at Mc D's)

74 Std Betty
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Susan S.

This thread would have died out a lot earlier if the responses that were given weren't given with so much arrogance that it made several peoples' butts pucker up. My opinion. Don't hate me because I'm beautiful. *batting eyelashes*

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Shaggie

****chopped up for time*****

That's one of the smartest things I've read on here !!! If, and I do mean a big if, you happen to luck up on a VW for sale by an owner who took great care of it and knew what he/she was doing, it might be worth grabbing. However as most of us have seen and learned the hard way, most previous owners use/abuse/destroy a great car with the same mindset : it's a cheap car that will run with no maintenance. So, you either spend the big bucks upfront for one that has been taken care of, or you spend big bucks fixing all the crap another person did to your "dream" car. It just seems like it is one way or the other. And on that same line of thinking....what is up with VW owners chopping up the wiring ? Every bug I've come across has been chopped, cut, duct taped or flat out ripped up in the wiring department !!!

Susan

74 Std Betty
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Susan S.

It's not the cost, it's the ability to do maintenance.

There aren't many cars where one person with 2 jackstands and a wheeled floorjack can single-handedly swap an engine in an hour.

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Michael Cecil

...if you haven't done it allready (and you likely have) take the 10 minutes out of your day and adjust the link pins...it will tighten it up considerably until you do a full rebuild.

...Gareth

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Gary Tateosian

it is because people don't understand the wiring...they try to wire it the "american" way....doesn't *usually* work out well....i took a large box full of wire out of my most recent purchase....

------------------- Chris Perdue

"Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!"

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Chris Perdue

well i dont' really eat that much fast food....but me and "little debbie" are best friends....i try to eat decent, but i am a contractor so i travel about for work...hard to *not*hit the fastfood joints...heh

------------------- Chris Perdue

"Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!"

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Chris Perdue

what fun would that be?

------------------- Chris Perdue

"Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!"

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Chris Perdue

Yeah, that dude who bought the LCB was one *lucky* SOB. :-)

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Shaggie

true...but i can swap the engine in my chevy truck in 45 minutes...from pull in to pull out....

------------------- Chris Perdue

"Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!"

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Chris Perdue

i fail to see the benefit in that. after all, when it's over with you're still stuck driving a chevy.

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The Queen of Cans and Jars

After reading all the PO horror stories that've been posted here in RAMVA during the time I've been reading the group, I think I was fortunate and got pretty lucky when I bought my '72. Of course, that was 14 years ago but it was still an 18 year old car at the time. I knew exactly zero about what to look for in a used Volkswagen. Although it was in well used condition (146,500 miles) it was nearly in about 99% stock condition. The only non-stock item on the car that I know of was the Audiovox radio that was in it. Well, maybe those ultra cool ladybug floormats .... dunno if those were stock. :-/ I bought it from the third owner, who was the father of the second owner. With the exception of the rear window defroster, everything worked exactly like it was supposed to, all the wiring is exactly as it should be, everything looks just as it is shown in all the manuals and sales brochures. All parts were still there. Even the windshield washer worked and the upper crank pulley tin was in place. It's a little worse for wear appearance-wise these days but is still in pretty much the same condition with about 70,000 more miles added to the clock.

-- Scott

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Scott H

NEVER! I shall never succomb to the idiocy of three stooges slapstick! NEVER EVER! It was a nice try though. :) I just don't get the humor in it.

Kidd "A hundred days to make me older since the last time that I saw your pretty face. A thousand lies to make me colder and I don't think I could look at this the same, but all the miles that seperate disappear now when I remember your face."

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Kidd Andersson

Dunno.

Jan

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Jan Andersson

ROTFLMAO :D

Jan

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Jan Andersson

Don't get too friendly now, mister.

:)

Jan

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Jan Andersson

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA-FRIGGIN-HA!

Ain't that the truth!!!!

Jan

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Jan Andersson

Half an hour, cig brakes included.

:)

Jan

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Jan Andersson

No chance of that Shaggie....*8-}

-- the Grokdoc Tom Malmevik all that groks is god

67 Baja "marti"
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Thomas Malmevik

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