240 Question

Sorry. My 1990 240 had airbags and abs. It also would have been easy to retrofit the doors as there was plenty of open space inside for bars and anything else you want to stiffen them(in reality, they hold up ten times better than the doors on a Dodge Neon).

"Duh" indeed. You found one 240 with 140,000 miles on it, and from that you presume that you know the going rate of every 240 in Canada. "Duh." Then you go on to posit that no one would choose a 240 if they could get a different, new kind of Volvo for only twice the price. It's a little like saying, why pay a million dollars for a Da Vinci drawing when, for only two million dollars, you can get something drawn last week? "Duh." Then you use for an example of why Volvo wouldn't bring back a new version of the 240, Volkswagen, which *did* bring back a new version of an older model of their cars. "Duh" all around, dear.

"Us"? Who do you think you're speaking for? You and the voices in your head? If you're not a fan of 240s, why are you even involved in this thread?

It's not just the side airbags. Volvo never built a 200 series car with SIPS.

The 240 would be a bad choice to bring back because:

- It gets lousy gas mileage (can you name another 115hp car that uses that much fuel? An 850 *turbo* will get similar gas mileage)

- It doesn't meet current emissions standards (no OBDII/EOBD)

- It doesn't meet current safety standards (no dual airbags, no SIPS, any sort of pedestrian safety standards)

- Lousy electrical system (glass fuses suck for the 13 or so fuses in a modern 240, a modern 850 has about 2-3x that, plus the 240 has relays everywhere).

- Poor soundproofing

- It's expensive to build.

I'd say bring back the 95-98 960 and/or late model 760, but offer it with the turbo 4, NA 5, and turbo six white block motors.. and ditch the sliding piston front calipers. The late model 960 has all the amenities of a modern car (nice rear suspension, nicer soundproofing, airbags, better side impact protection, better HVAC, etc). The electrical system is a lot more sane (blade type fuses, relay block, etc).

-- alex

'89 765T, 172,7xx mi

Sorry. SIPS is not about building stronger doors. There were reinforcements to the B pillar and the floor pan that could not have been retrofitted to a 240.

ABS was standard on all Volvos after 92, and I think all 240s after 90 had driver's side airbags.

-- alex

'89 765T, 172,7xx mi

Don't know too much about the mustang, but I have heard the frame is dating

I believe the 850 was suppose to replace the 240/740, they seem to be good cars too, especially the 96's.

Could you possibly try to be more obnoxious?

If you're going to ask someone's opinion, don't attack them for giving it to you.

- alex

Right. But a $20,000 car back in the 80s would not be a $20,000 car now. Try $40,000 or $50,0000.

-- alex

'89 765T, 172,7xx mi

And you're saying that none of these issues could be addressed in a new 240?

By the way, how good do you think the mileage is in those ginormous SUVs currently lumbering like dinosaurs all over the country's freeways?

I'll be obnoxious as I like if the opinion they offer has nothing whatever to do with the question asked.

Sorry, I thought I made it clear that I was a 240 fan.

Ipso facto, the same would have to be true of a new 240?

and dude, I said 140,000kms, not miles, you should read MY post a little bit better.

Sure, and it would have been a FWD too.

People like them now because they are inexpensive, durable, and (for wagons) very good work wagons. A new one would not fulfill the "inexpensive" part of the equation -- few would be willing to pay new prices (1993 new price was around $19000, which was considerably more than typical cars like Accords, Camrys, etc.) for a 1970s design.

SUVs are the hottest thing selling, that is why Volvo now makes one.

You know why Volvo stopped making this car? Cuz it was obsolete in the market, THE MARKET dictates what manufacturers will eventually make.

Say, you know what car company still makes a body style that everyone was DICTATED to love and drive? The Russian built Lada 1600. It started life as a Fiat 124, and continued on as a Lada, dah Comrad!

That makes no sense, today's safety standards are way lower then they used to be. You run a '75 LTD into a '95 Metro guess who dies? The cafe standards imposed by the government have made today's cars smaller, lighter and much, much more dangerous.

My 245 is the best milage car I have.

(can you name another 115hp car that uses that

Thank GOD!!!

Safer than a Sprint.

I'll give you that, but all Volvo's electrical systems have sucked, do suck, and will suck.

Never noticed that.

Anything good is.

So, do you own a 240? what year, model, mileage? (just curious)

BTW Rob, the current Mustang is not based on a 25 year old frame. It is a uni-body car, the original "Pony" car was way different then (Mustang II), the new cars are completely different, especially the latest ('99-up) the 5.0 isn't the V-8 anymore, and it has IRS just like your 960 ;) (which I wish my 760 had, the '88s did). The popular 1984 Mustang was a derivative of the late 70s Stang, which somewhat carried over into the early 90s, that is where the story ended for that platform.

Also Butler, Ford also made the F-150 in 1993 available with a vinyl floor for a "hose down" interior, this was and still is the MOST popular pickup truck ever made. Yes, they still make it, and NO they don't make it with a "hose down" interior. Which means they've basically eliminated all construction site purposes out of this truck, the market said "we want a better truck that is quiet, leather interior, and updated",...... so Ford built it.

I think the general consensus is that we don't get your point.

BTW: I didn't base my value on what 245s are worth on my own merit, I live and breathe cars, so I know a think or 1000 things about them.... Racing cars just brings that out of me.

You can also check Ebay auctions:

all 240s currently availble for auction: