Done: LPG conversion on '89 240

I've recently had my '89 240 converted to LPG, and thought i'd help out anyone else considering it with some pros and cons

I got my conversion at AG autogas, in lilydale, Australia. Both the converter and my mechanic (who is really more of an adviser, as i do my own work most of the time) recommended i skip duel fuel and go straight LPG, apparently it is not practical to run a B23E engine on duel. So i had to trust them on that one. Its probably the most simple conversion on the market, just feeding gas slightly downstream of the AMM

Range; Big con The tank fits between the rear wheels in the boot, and fills it up quite well, although the majority of the space is still available. The tank is 50 usable liters, whereas the old petrol one was 60, which is a bit of an inconvenience. I was getting about 6.5km/l economy on petrol, giving me a 390km range, with an extra 10L in the jerry can i would bring with me for emergencies. Now, fuel use has risen quite a bit, which is to be expected when running on gas. At the moment, in the same conditions as before i'm getting 5km/L, which brings the range of the vehicle down to about 250km. Because of the nature of LPG i have no way of adding more fuel on the go, and running out would mean i have to tow the car, so in practice this shortens the range to about 225km to ensure i never run out of fuel. This short range makes the car very impractical for driving interstate, and means i fill up twice a week instead of once :-(

Performance; con Once he is warm, the 240 goes just the same as when it was fueled by petrol, i can't tell the difference. The only time it actually makes a difference is when the engine is quite cold i.e winter morning. It always starts first time, which is actually an improvement over the old system, but it lacks power for about two or three blocks while it gets warm (ie where i used to push the pedal about 1/4 to take off, now i push to about 1/2). Not a huge drawback, but still something to consider. I'd imagine if i had a heavy trailer the car would barely move

Cost: Big pro Now this is probably the biggest factor for most people, being the underlying reason conversions are done in the first place :-). Before:

6.5km/l @ $1.20 average per liter = about 18c per km. After: 5km/l @ $0.45 average cost of LPG = about 9c per km The conversion is halving the cost of fuel each week for me, saving me about $30 per week I was charged $2500 for the actual conversion, of which the government offers a $2000 rebate down under. Total cost out of my pocked is $500, which at this rate should be paid off in about 5 months

Thats about all that i can say at this stage, i havn't had the system long enough to comment on any difference in maintenance. To put it simply, it seems the savings in fuel make it well worth the while, but that is only true if you can live with some of the disadvantages. Say, for example, you had to hire a car twice a year because of the short range, you would probably end up losing any money you saved from the conversion

However, nothing puts a bigger smile on my face than completely filling the tank for $20

Hopefully someone will find this post useful :P

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Josh
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Please explain this part to me.

Reply to
doofy

I'm guessing hauling around spare tanks of LPG might be an option. BBQ size, then they could do double duty in the back yard. Have to add a 'T' with a shutoff to the main tank. Couple bungees to keep the spare from rolling around. If you ever run out, you can always hop a fence and pinch a tank off of someones Brinkmann.

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clay

I'm not planning to convert, but it's good to know a lot of that. I'm not surprised dual-fuel was going to be a lot tougher but it's good to get that confirmed.

It sounds like a real winner for a car that is kept in town most of the time.

Mike

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Michael Pardee

While propane would not save much, if anything at all on fuel in the states, many of the propane conversions I've read about were dual-fuel, including several Volvos. I'm curious why this wasn't feasible with yours? From what I gather, when the propane is enabled, it simply cuts power to the gasoline fuel injectors.

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James Sweet

It was more the tuning that was the problem, propane burns a lot slower than petrol, and according to the mechanic it would have been better to tune the car well for LPG than try to tune it "half way" between the fuels

When on petrol i carried a 10L can of petrol, on LPG there is no simple way of doing this, therefore if i have 50L of Gas, thats it. Whereas on petrol i had 60L + 10L can of petrol = longer trip!

Good to know some of the info helps!

Josh

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Josh

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John Robertson

ok. I thought you were saying that the main tank could not be refilled except by some difficult process. You just have to be at a station with a pressurized source, correct?

Reply to
doofy

LPG fills easily at any petrol station, the pump just screws onto a valve in the volvo, pull the trigger and it flows about the same rate as petrol. Here in melbourne 9/10 service stations have LPG available at a good price, it never varies more than a couple cents. The first few times i filled the tank it would only put about 30 liters in until shutting off, but now i can put the whole 50l into the tank. I think it was maybe a sticking valve which has worked its way free due to normal use.

Josh

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Josh

There's certainly some appeal, apparently LPG is much easier on the engine and oil than gasoline. Only perhaps 5% of filling stations in the US carry LPG though.

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James Sweet

Wow...what a bummer! Here in Australia it is as easy to get as petrol, maybe even easier, as there are never any lines for LPG pumps. The only stations that don't carry LPG are the small independent ones, i'd say no more than 1 in 10. I think LPG is actually produced in Australia as well, making it (for us) a steady priced commodity (servo's always blame international prices for drastically varying petrol prices, they have no excuse for LPG). There are 4 outlets within about 2km of my house, and about 5 or 6 just on the way to university (a 12km trip). ....thats kinda disturbing!

Josh

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Josh

There's several LPG vendors here in the San Francisco Bay Area, but not a gad of them. Some of the vendors listed on Mapquest are UHaul rental places.

By the way, Mapquest has a search function right now for cheapest gasoline/diesel near you, and alternative fuel outlets (though no prices for the alt stuff).

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doofy

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