Wo don't use a 'model year', we use a 'year of registration' - which is what he said. In fact it's what everyone has said.
You really are as stupid a race as you come over on telly, aren't you?
You'd be wrong. HTH.
Talking about the title - ie the V5. Yes, that's entirely correct. Note that's not your concept of 'model year'.
I'll concede slight carelessness on Adrian's part there. He wasn't actually saying Registration date = model year, he was saying registration date = year on title - which was what the rest of the relevant message is referring to.
ie
is easy, contrary to what you have been arguing.
Just think, if you'd not been so obsessed about model year that you completely missed the original point, you wouldn't have had to go through all this argument...
clive
Why won't you answer the question about PikeyVanMan?
Actually, I'm British. You didn't pick up on that? No wonder you're confused.
It's been covered off several times now.
Sorry, but you appear to be posting with all the intelligence of a Merkin, so it's no wonder you've been mistaken for one.
Ahh, Merkin IP. You appear to have 'gone native'.
I can do one better. I can put you in my killfile and write you off as a moron who doesn't know that American cars in America fall into a category called "model year". See - problem solved. Don't forget to get in the last word - don't let my not being able to see it slow you down in the least.
'La, la, la, I'm not listening'
Bury your head in the sand, that's the usual Yank way of dealing with stuff they don't understand or agree with.
Um - everybody who's been arguing with you knows that. Seems like you still don't understand the point being made.
There goes a very sore loser...
clive
He says you never use the year for anything, just the model/mark designation. He's correct? One of you is wrong, why won't you tell us? It would probably clear up a lot of the confusion.
Oooh! Low punch!
We use a 'year of registration' - any other detail is covered by model / mark designations.
So he's wrong then? I think we're getting somewhere now.
All that remains now is to clear up the confusion of what year you'd ascribe to a car that was several years old before it was first registered on a current plate.
Let's use 1995 and 2005 as examples. If you were to use a year to refer to that car, what would it be.
No obfuscation now, just a straight answer please.
Something like MkV Escort, registered 2005.
He did, if that's me you're referring to above [1]. I've quoted it above. The words "what he said" are a clue. Specifically "he", referring to me.
[1] And if you're waiting for me to bite at your ever-so-amusing 'parody' of my screen name, I'd get quite a few drinks in.
I see. So its age could be anywhere in a range of, what, six years or so? You have to be honest, that's not really a very helpful description of the car, is it? Might it not be much more helpful and honest to call it a 1995 Escort, registered 2005?
Think of it this way: How old is the car? One year old? Something plus or minus three years old? Or eleven years old? What age information would you be happy to accept about this car in the unlikely event that you were thinking of buying it?
Now I *am* confused.
Hey, all vans over two years old seem pikey to me.
Oh, wait, I'd have to say "all pre-facelift Mk 3a Rover Wombattos are pikey," wouldn't I?
Right, let me quote a post of mine:
"Because we don't refer to it by year. Get over it."
That was in response to:
Meaning, for the cerebrally challenged (that's "thick", boys and girls), that we don't refer to different models by "model year", we use words, or recognise model designators, along with the word "facelift" for noticeable facelifts. Mainly because a year can often be ambiguous. If a new model came out in June, some people would get confused. Also, because it would just sound daft to describe a 1993 car as a "1988 model year" car.
I'll have a go at this too. Let's say the car's a BMW 5-series. It'd be an E34 (one might use the word "late model" as it'd be near the end of the run), first registered in 2005.
Yeah, 'cos everyone knows the one true parody is 'Ashtrayvanman'.
Because that's the way it works. A 1995 (model) may be identical to a
2000 (model) in all respects except for the date coded in to the VIN. But one is a 1995 and the other is a 2000. The difference in the prices of the two might help you to understand it better. There *is* a difference in price, before you ask.Well, what you're getting at is what was originally called "planned obsolescence" when the car makers first started doing it back in the
1930s, I believe, as a way to make people want to replace the perfectly serviceable car they already owned. In general, the Brits have always been just as much victims of it as the merkins have been. It just manifests itself in a slightly different form there, though it seems to have *you* fooled.
That's an extreme example, though - most models only have a 4 year life cycle before a major facelift.
More questionable would be the difference between a car made in 1998 and one made in 2000. Because there's no specification difference between the two, both could be registered on the same day and have the same value. Happens all the time, even with the silly American 'model year' crap.
Looks like you're wrong there.
But in the US, used cars are priced first according to the model year, then mileage, condition, etc. regardless of when they were first registered - or 'titled,' as they call it.
Pay attention. You missed the part where I deliberately said, "in general..."
You're not telling me that "planned obsolescence" isn't a marketing factor there, are you? You need to read a history book or two.
But a 'model year' designation doesn't mean anything. In the original example, GM were making 1984 model year C4s in March 1983. How can that make any sense?
The 1984 model year car was probably produced for over 18 months before it was changed to 1985 model year....
That's just nonsense and shows that model year marketing means absolutely nothing.
You appear to have missed the bit when you accused *me*, personally of being taken in by registration letters. Which I'm obviously not.
Of course it is, but 1 year model cycles wouldn't work in Europe, we're too intelligent over here to be taken in by that.
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