Exactly... the market is setting the price!
That's what market economies do; allow a consumer to get much more value
for money if they are willing to do a little work for it.
When the Lemmings and bunny rabbits read Consumer Reports and flock to
the 'me-too' products, those who can read between the lines and know a
little about what they really want get the real deals.
Have to remind you that's how Honda and Toyota got there in the first
place.. but aint it grand it works both ways!
I too was offended when I attempted to buy a left over Pinto in 1982 and
the dealer wouldnt deal... but I ended up buying a low miles Escort,
which proved to be a better deal and provided a little higher
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!
A common misconception. When comparing one brand to another you must look
at the actual drive home prices, not the MSRP. Toyota and Honda dealers
want top buck and more, yet offer lower than wholesale trade prices. I
spent a lot more every two years to buy my another Lexus LS, than I now
spend every two years to buy the four Lincoln LSs I have owned. I saved so
much money on my first Lincoln LS, over what the Lexus dealer wanted for
another Lexus LS, that I bought a Mustang GT convertible from him as well
with most of the difference.
Since then I purchased four more GT convertibles, the latest one, I just
picked up this past Saturday. The total outlay, taxes and all, with my 2005
was only $3,800 for a GT with an MSRP of $1,200 more than the 2005. ;)
The drive home prices for Toyota and Honda are higher, not only the MSRP.
So as percentage of the actual drive home price, they are not as good. If I
were buying Solara convertibles it would cost my far more every two years.
Been there done that, a V6 Solara would cost me $5,000 more than my 2005
Mustang GT V8. NADA lists a 2005 Mustang GT premier convertible, with 15K
on the clock, a $30,500, that is thousands more than I paid for the car.
Work? I'm eighty years and old retired. I worked as an engineer for GM, VW
and Ford until 1986. Then I was Group Sales Manager for one of the largest
mega-dealership groups on the east cost. While doing that a started a fleet
service business, that operate in six eastern states, until I sold it in
Take if from one who has sold a lot of leases to new vehicle buyers. Buying
your vehicle at lease termination is NOT a good idea. A short term lease,
of two or three years, is a less expensive way to own a new vehicle but is
not a good idea if you intend to keep the vehicle longer. If you intend to
keep a vehicle longer than three years you will spend less if you simply buy
it and finance it over a longer period. When you refinance the vehicle you
will need to do so at a higher interest rate as well, and pay state taxes on
the purchase. It would actually cost you around the same amount monthly to
simply lease another vehicle when the lease expires.
It's a victory for the consumer since he gets a great car at a low price.
It's not my responsibility to bail out US auto companies but in this case I
was able to spend my money with a US corp. and give myself a great car at a
favorable price for me.
Made in Mexico? Designed by Mazda? There's nothing I can do about that.
Have any proof Mike, or is this another one of your typical unsourced,
unbacked up assertions for which you will simply say that other lesser
mortals need to do their own research for?
Everything I read about the Mazda 6 was that primary development
happened in Japan and Mazda's facilities. Sure Ford was an investor and
was involved perhaps, but you really cannot call it a "Ford design".
That is because you don't know how Fords design teams work, I do. Don't
believe everything you read in the buff mags. For years MT has insisted the
Escort was Mazda, it wasn't. I was part of various chassis design teams,
when I worked at Ford. The last chassis' I worked on was the first Taurus
and the last Probe, the 1998, which eventually came to market as the 2000
Mercury Cougar. My degree is in metallurgy, I worked chassis structures,
focused on crumple zone designs for the most part..
From what I've been told by some Ford of Europe engineers, it started life
as a Mondeo (2nd Generation) which was reworked by Mazda for North America.
Ford took the reworked Mazda design, and widened and lengthened it. It is a
superb machine, handling far better than my Mercury Mystique verision of the
Mondeo or my Mercury Sables. I'd love to make it the replacement for my
wife's 2001 Sable, but she has her eye on a Mercury Mariner.
It is built on a chassis version, designed by Ford engineers, first used on
a Mazda. The Mondeo chassis has no connection, The '07 are available in
FWD with a 4cy and a 3.5L V6 and AWD with the 265 HP V6. The 06 V6 was a 3L
with 221 HP
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