New York taxi boss shops for new cabs - Crown Vic's dominance in Big Apple may end

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Mike hunt wrote:


They still make body parts for GM.
There's no problem with using drive train parts from others. Ford and GM do that, a lot.
In addition, the dies that they made body parts were worn out. The design was out-of-date, wasn't aerodynamic and would have to be updated to meet safety standards. Checker elected not to do that.
Jeff

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dbu wrote:

Checker cabs went out soon after the Taxi show left ABC. Taxi's last season on ABC was 1981-82. The last checker came off the line in July 1982. Checker motors still makes body parts for GM.
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:44:38 GMT, Jeff wrote:

The problem that killed the Checker Cab as a production car is that it costs between $50,000 and $500,000 to make a set of production body panel or frame rail stamping dies for one panel, and each car model takes several dozen die sets to produce.
Mass production carmakers can easily spread the tooling costs out over 100,000 units per year per body style, and the structural stampings for a common platform are often used for multiple models and many model years, making them even more economical. And they stamp and sell replacement panels to the aftermarket for many years using those same dies.
Checker couldn't spend the big bucks needed (I'm guessing $10 Million minimum) to retool for a new car design to meet the safety requirements - even if they sold 10,000 cars a year and didn't have to change the dies again for 12 years or more, they'd still have to charge double what a Detroit production car would run. And unless they can promise double the durability, "No Sale".
The only thing that keeps Avanti Motors and other specialty producers going is the use of fiberglass bodies, because production molds cost a whole lot less than stamping dies.
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Mike hunt wrote:

Not in all major cities. NYC has placed fuel mileage requirements that are being phased in over the next few years. Currently, the only vehicles that meet the requirements are hybrids. Obviously, if an automaker comes out with a suitable vehicle that is not a hybrid that meets the mileage requirements, that vehicle would be able to be licensed as a taxi.

Really? Why would one buy a new police car, use it for less than 500 miles, then sell it to a taxi company or owner?
In NYC, there is a requirement that all taxicabs have less less than 500 miles traveled at the time of hack-up.
For reference, see Chapter 3, Taxicab Specs, page 3: http://www.nyc.gov/html/tlc/html/rules/rules.shtml
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I thought it was a done deal, mostly Escapes and Highlanders, with some Prius.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/tlc/html/home/home.shtml "MAYOR BLOOMBERG ANNOUNCES TAXI FLEET TO BE FULLY HYBRID BY 2012"
"Currently there are only 375 hybrid vehicles in the City's taxi fleet. By October 2008, the number of hybrids in the fleet will triple. The phase-in for the City fleet to become completely hybrid is as follows:
October 2008 - 1000 yellow hybrid taxicabs; October 2009 - 4000 yellow hybrid taxicabs (30% of the fleet) October 2010 - 7000 yellow hybrid taxicabs (53% of the fleet) October 2011 - 10000 yellow hybrid taxicabs (76% of the fleet) October 2012 - all yellow taxicabs will be hybrid (100% of the fleet) "
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Toyota ought to make a hybrid Sienna. The Cash Cab (in NYC) on that cable TV channel uses a Sienna and it seems to work well. Tomes (back from the Usenet dead)
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Tomes wrote:

In NYC, they also have Highlander Hybrids as Taxicabs.
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Several yeats ago the NYC Taxi Commission allowed mini-vans for three years, to see if they would hold up as cabs, they did poorly. Why the Mayor thinks they will do any better today is a mistery
When I was still in the fleet service business, the majority of used police cars we sold where taken up by cab compaines, particurally by NYC cab companies
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Hybrid Sienna... Hybrid Charger... Whichever Mfgr that can make a 25mpg hybrid as capable as the current crown vics is going to dominate that market. Dodge is way behind on hybrids, Toyota and Honda are by far the most advanced and numerous. Ford only has the escape, too small for a cab and not scalable (they had to buy most of their technology from Toyota, who is in no hurry to help them with anything bigger) But I digress...
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snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

Actually, the Escape hybrids are used as cabs in NYC.

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Toyota already makes a hybrid version of the Sienna but it is not currently sold in the U.S.
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On Jan 21, 8:52 pm, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:

Is that the Estima in Japan?
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Yes. This link describes the Estima Hybrid in English: http://www.hybrid-vehicles.net/toyota-estima-hybrid-minivan.htm
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On Jan 22, 1:32 am, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:

I searched Estima in youtube and this came out.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KrqkQRJh2os
Nice. If they ever do sell them in North America as Taxis I bet the passengers would love the lazyboy passenger seats.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OPg0NUj5uis
I does look smaller than the Sienna and suited for typical Asian body size as seen on the 2nd video.
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The Japan market Sienna is smaller than the one sold in the U.S. for several reasons. One big consideration is that vehicle registration fees are determined by the vehicle's physical size class, in addition to engine displacement.
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Better make that "medallion" cabs. The city only regulates medallion cabs, not all cabs.

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Mike hunt wrote:

What other type of cabs are there in NYC other than medallion cabs? In NYC, there are lots of Limos, and they are regulated by the same folks who regulate the cabs, the taxi and limo commission. The city also regulates the pedicabs (the pedal-powered tricycles that carry tourists around) and horse-pulled carriages.
Of course, there are gypsy cabs, but, they are licensed by any one. And there are cabs from New Jersey and Long Island and other places, but they don't pick up people in NYC.
Jeff

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It's already phasing in hybrids...

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You have to consider the source here as this is the same CNW that said that an H1 would go 379,000 miles on average VS a Prius at 109,000 IIRC. That study has been thoroughly picked apart already many times.
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responding to http://www.motorsforum.com/toyota/New-York-taxi-boss-shops-for-new-cabs-Crown-Vic-s-dominanc-150859-.htm uzistar wrote: C. E. White wrote: NYC TAXICAB OWNER DRIVER FOR THE PAST 36 YEARS IN NEW YORK CITY FROM MY EXPERIANCE THE BEST CAR NYC YELLOW TAXIS EVER USED WAS THE FORD CROWN VICTORIA NOW TAKE IT TO NEXT LEVEL NON BETTER THAN THE FORD CROWN VICTORIA BUILT IN ONTARIO PLANT CANADA FOR THIS HEAVY DUTY EASY TO UPKEEP BEST # 1 TAXICAB !!!

------------------------------------- NEW YORK CITY MEDDALLION TAXICAB BEST CARS ARE THE CROWN VICTORIA FROM A 36 YEARS VETERAN OF THE NYC YELLOW TAXICAB INDUSTRY OF NEW YORK CITY !!!
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